Meeting Summary - 05/16/2025 LLWG Meeting
Grid Monitor AI | Posted 05/16/2025

▶️1 - Antitrust Admonition
▶️2 - Nominations for Chair/Vice Chair
- Martha Henson from Oncor nominated Bob Wititmeyer from Longhorn Power for the LLWG chair role.
- There were no other nominations for chair, leaving Bob Wititmeyer as the sole nominee.
- For vice chair, a nomination was made for Patrick Gravois from ERCOT.
- No other nominations were made for vice chair, confirming Patrick Gravois as the nominee.
- Discussion acknowledged appreciation and anticipation for confirmation at the TAC.
- Kevin Yung from Priority Power was introduced for a presentation.
▶️3 - Large Load Oscillation Event Part 2 – The Customer’s Perspective and Actions
- Acknowledgment of previous presentation by Patrick Gravois on March 4.
- Discussion on subsynchronous oscillation event observed last year involving a large load managed by Priority Power.
- Efforts made to reprogram relays and capture data to identify oscillations.
- Challenges faced due to the granularity and current rate of the data.
- Collaborative effort with ERCOT and Oncor to diagnose and resolve the issue.
- Identification of harmonic distortion and resonance conditions at the customer site.
- Immediate actions and changes made by the customer to rectify the issue, including consulting experts globally.
- Testing conducted under controlled load addition to identify specific load points triggering oscillations.
- Discovery of a software and firmware anomaly at the customer site contributing to the issue.
- Successful resolution of the problem after software adjustments, allowing maximum load without oscillations.
- Discussion on changes in relays, data gathering, and operator training for better management of future large loads.
- Proposal for direct communication between ERCOT and large load operators for improved coordination.
- Suggestion for higher resolution SCADA data to better detect and address oscillations.
- General agreement on improving protocols and establishing standard operating procedures for large loads.
▶️4 - ERCOT Large Load Loss Study for PGRR122
Large_Load_Loss_Analysis_051625_LLWG.pdf
- Jeff Billo emphasized the importance of studying large load tripping and its impact on system frequency and voltage stability.
- Luis Hinojosa presented a study focused on determining the megawatt level at which system stability is compromised due to large load losses.
- The study utilized a historical case from 03/12/2024 to analyze system frequency, inertia, generation mix, and footroom.
- Footroom is defined as the capacity available to respond to high frequency events, similar to headroom but in the downward direction.
- The investigation used dynamic simulations to determine load loss thresholds, ranging from 1,000 MW to 4,000 MW.
- The study identified 2,600 MW as a threshold limit, with over 60.4 Hz potentially causing operational issues.
- Voltage stability concerns were noted in West Texas, indicating a separate limit of 2,000 MW.
- Further monitoring and coordination with plant operators are recommended to prevent setting limits without proper studies.
- Participants discussed the absence of solar at test time and potential for batteries to help with frequency issues.
- Future projections indicate an increase in battery capacity, potentially altering current load loss thresholds.
- Discussions highlighted the need for a market product to manage battery storage state of charge effectively.
- The important consideration was whether location-based contingencies impact load tripping effects.
- ERCOT is monitoring the issue and is working on internal solutions to manage future potential load losses.
- The study led to proposals for implementing a 2,600 MW limit and monitoring a 2,000 MW limit in West Texas.
- Industry participants highlighted the importance of having rapid solutions due to ongoing infrastructure developments.
▶️5 - Preliminary Load Loss Assessment of Operational LLs in ERCOT
LoadLossPreliminaryAssessment_LLWG-05162025-.pdf
- Yunzhi Cheng shared preliminary results of a study assessing the risk of load loss exceeding 2.6 gigawatts under current conditions.
- The study is not completed; it currently analyzes scenarios with different tripping settings and makes use of scenarios based on summer peak and high renewal minimal cases.
- Different scenarios of load tripping settings were studied, and initial findings identified potential tripping from 1.5 gigawatt to 2.5 gigawatt depending on settings.
- Sensitivity analysis includes adding synchronous condensers to see their impact on system conditions and ride-through capability.
- It was concluded that the ITIC curve might not suffice for the long-term growth of large loads since an increase in large loads could breach the 2.6 gigawatt criteria.
- Future work will investigate different locations and engage with the research committee to understand large load behavior better.
- Questions raised by Sunil Dhakal from Lone Star Transmission regarding the modeling in the study of synchronous condensers approved last year were addressed.
- Clayton Greer raised concerns about defining 'electrically close' areas and its impact under various simulated scenarios.
- Discussion about future system changes, such as adding transmission lines, affecting current study assumptions and load tripping profiles.
- A suggestion was made for additional study of voltage ride-through to improve large load outage concerns.
- Conversation about reconnection timelines for large loads implied the need for better engagement between industry stakeholders.
▶️6 - PGRR122
- System operating limit identified: It's a new type of limit, a frequency stability limit, distinct from typical limits like thermal, voltage, and transient stability limits.
- Importance of system operating limit: Needs to be incorporated into planning as it isn't usually detected in standard studies.
- Implementation in large load interconnection studies: Intention to proceed with PGRR122 with a 2,600 MW limit for these studies.
- Operations analysis: Current studies suggest no immediate operational issues by May 2025, but ongoing analysis is needed to predict future constraints.
- Potential solutions for planning: Transmission upgrades, synchronous condensers, grid-forming technology, voltage ride-through requirements, and possibly introducing a fast frequency response down service.
- Voltage ride-through standards: Discussion on implementing such standards for loads to avoid system limitations.
- Discussion on large load interconnection: No current intention to restrict West Texas to a 2,600 MW limit; decisions will be based on further studies.
- Concerns about existing interconnects: Importance of presenting these issues to higher-level boards due to significant impacts on interconnects.
- Load ride through potential: Considerations for allowing load modifications if systems can mitigate issues.
- Ongoing studies: Need for data-backed decisions, especially regarding reconnections and the potential necessity of statcoms for voltage support.
- Request for data center-specific workgroups: Open workshops planned instead of closed subgroups.
- Load threshold discussions: No definitive conclusions yet; ongoing studies to determine impacts and technological constraints for ride-through capabilities.
- Further discussions and analysis required: To address the system's capability to handle initial disturbances and subsequent reconnections.
▶️7 - Data Center Ride-Through Next Steps
Data-Center-Operations-TF-LFLTF-051625.pdf
- Discussion centered around low voltage ride through issues impacting data centers, identified by three main opportunities for problems: three strikes control, UPS system switching configurations, and variable frequency drive motors.
- The problem with UPS inverter operations is discussed, particularly their disconnecting from the grid during perceived system problems, causing delays.
- A vendor solution was mentioned which might involve modifying the operations of UPS systems to draw additional power from the grid while an inverter is supplied to avoid disconnection.
- There is a need to move forward with solutions, considering the existing approved connections over four gigawatts and developing requirements for load commissioning by ERCOT.
- The importance of reprogramming UPS systems for immediate return with line voltage recovery was discussed.
- Questions were raised about the capacity and feasibility of running low voltage tests at data centers.
- The importance of ensuring solutions that do not risk blackouts in case of large failures or grid issues was emphasized.
- The need to understand the timing and flow of events during grid failures was noted, bringing up the idea of analyzing events on a cycle by cycle basis.
- A proposal for a double conversion medium voltage UPS BESS solution was made, involving a grid following and forming component.
- Discussion on enabling the connection of large loads as guaranteed reliability loads to expedite their integration utilizing flexibility agreements to mitigate risks associated with disconnecting from the grid during outages.
- Clarification was sought on manual versus automated handling of switches and the operational feasibility of implementing an automated system.
- Potential market disruptions and operational complexities were acknowledged, with a focus on managing these flexibly and clarifying the terms for load management.
- Potential need for ERCOT to develop further market mechanisms to support these integrations was mentioned.
▶️8 - Large Load Survey Form
ERCOT-Dynamics-Working-Group-Large-Load-Data-Survey_p9_20250515_DWG_Updated.pdf
- The form was developed by a subgroup of Subject Matter Experts (SMEs) from various DSPs in conjunction with ERCOT.
- The primary purpose is to assist DSPs and customers in gathering consistent information for large load interconnection processes.
- The form includes sections on facility design, basic load information, technical characteristics, equipment specifics, dynamic models, backup systems, and protection settings.
- Concerns were raised about the clarity of the form and whether it should change title to better reflect its audience, suggesting it's intended for TSPs rather than end customers.
- Floyd Trefny expressed concerns about sending the form directly to customers as they may not understand the technical details.
- Sun Wook from ERCOT explained that the form should serve as a standardized communication tool between TSPs and customers.
- Blake King raised issues about the confidentiality of information submitted by non-market participants, suggesting the need for further discussion on the protection of proprietary data.
- There was a discussion about when the form should be filled during the interconnection process, particularly about its role in the scoping meeting and stability studies.
- Evan Neel raised concerns about data availability during the early stages of load projects, emphasizing that stability studies might have to be updated if there are changes in the project.
- A suggestion was made to consider a staggered approach similar to the generation interconnection process, allowing for data collection in stages as the project develops.
- Patrick Gravois responded that the process aims to use the best available information for stability analyses.
- Concluded with an acknowledgment of the need for a balance between information gathering and project development.
▶️9 - Data Center Ride-Through Information Request
- ERCOT operations are seeking information on ride-through performance, backup generation, and UPS systems from existing loads.
- A market notice is being developed in collaboration with TSPs to evaluate data centers under development with a focus on ride-through capabilities.
- There is a need for more detailed information which will be gathered using a large load survey with additional questions regarding protection settings and backup generation.
- A new market notice will be issued for TSPs to gather data on large loads, both operational and planned, to integrate this information into future studies.
- Information gathered will guide a potential commissioning test process which is still undefined, and ensure accuracy in load model verification.
- Verification and testing of ride-through capabilities are essential, particularly due to potential issues identified in West Texas and the Panhandle.
- There is a need to set testing criteria to validate the information against expected performance outcomes during the commissioning process.
- A manual process may be needed to ensure load models are accurate, particularly for loads nearing operational status.
- Appreciation was expressed for the form to be used in the process which provides clarity on requirements before grid connection.
▶️10 - Splight NPRR - 12:00 p.m.
Splight-LLWG-Presentation-5.16.25.pdf
- Introduction by Helen Kemp from Splight, a technology company, discussing advanced transmission technology and its operations across North America, South America, and Europe.
- Presentation of draft PRR language to introduce the concept of Fast Responding Loads (FRL) that can quickly respond to grid emergencies, enhancing reliability and capacity allocation.
- Discussion of the integration with Guaranteed Reliability Load (GRL) and the potential for merging or treating it as a subcategory.
- Introduction to Splight’s technology as a mechanism for implementing the proposed NPRR, focusing on automatically responsive large loads.
- Bob King from Splight explained a real-world example involving a data center with energy management systems and the application of battery storage to ensure responsiveness.
- Emphasis on Splight’s ongoing operations in other regions and the capability of their system for real-time control and machine-to-machine communication.
- Splight’s proposal allows more full utilization of transmission line capacities, suggesting a pathway for existing data centers to grow.
- Feedback and questions from ERCOT members Freddy Garcia and Floyd Trefny regarding the proposal, addressing concerns related to data management and RAS (Remedial Action Scheme) classification.
- Acknowledgement of regulatory concerns about data access from transmission service providers (TSPs) and the need for offline discussions.
- Encouragement for further conversations with NERC about regulatory compliance and defining characteristics of the load.
- Final comments from ERCOT members about concerns and the potential positive impact on jobs and load management in Texas.
▶️11 - Battery/Data Center Use Case
11-Megapack-at-Data-Centers-_-ERCOT-LLWG_5.16.25_vShare.pdf
- Tesla presented on battery storage applications at data centers to provide technical solutions, focusing on load smoothing and low voltage ride-through support.
- The presentation was not intended as a sales pitch or policy recommendation, but focused on technical aspects.
- Tesla's battery units, called 'megapacks', offer two megawatts and four megawatt-hour capacity, scalable to approximately 200 megawatt and 400 megawatt-hour per acre.
- Key battery storage use cases include load smoothing for AI training with oscillation challenges, low voltage ride-through support, load shaping for flexible utility connection, and backup power.
- AI data centers face challenges with highly variable power consumption, leading to sub-second shifts and power demand fluctuations of up to 90%.
- Using Tesla's battery product can smooth out these fluctuations, reducing power load variability by more than 70%, without significantly impacting battery lifespan; Tesla offers a 15 to 20-year warranty.
- Real-world examples show significant improvements in power load stabilization, frequency regulation, and mechanical protection for on-site generators using the megapack system.
- Questions addressed included battery sizing related to peak data center power draw, inverter size for the load, and how long batteries can maintain optimal usage.
- A challenge discussed was low voltage ride-through which can be mitigated by using a megapack system to maintain consistent load during grid faults.
- Batteries can offer flexible load shaping for easier system integration, allowing data centers to connect faster and manage periods of overload.
- Examples of programs enabling faster interconnections include PG&E's FlexConnect, showing that battery use can potentially accommodate significant new load capacity.
- Batteries are also compared to diesel generators for backup power, with equivalency around 6 to 8 hours duration at similar cost but with considerations for business decisions regarding duration needs.
- Tesla presented use cases of existing megapack installations at sites including their Austin Gigafactory and xAI's Colossus data center.
- ERCOT expressed interest in the concept and potential of batteries for voltages ride-through issues, with some discussion on the scalability and regulatory perspective of co-locating battery systems with large loads.
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