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Clip 0 - Chairman Gleeson calls meeting to order
00:00:09 This meeting of the Public Utility Commission of Texas will come to order. To consider
00:00:12matters that have been duly posted with the Secretary of State for
00:00:15November 21, 2024. Morning,
00:00:19everyone. So we're going to recess
00:00:23briefly to go to Closed Session. The Attorney General's coming to talk
00:00:26to us. I don't anticipate it will take very long,
00:00:30so hopefully we'll be back quickly. I will also note that for
00:00:33those of you who were here last time, I do actually have the words to
00:00:36get us to Closed Session. Thank you, Shelah. And so we
Clip 29 - Chairman Gleeson pauses Open Meeting, to hold Closed Session
00:00:40can do that. Okay. Having convened in a duly noticed
00:00:43open meeting, the Commission will now, at 9:32am
00:00:48on November 21, hold a Closed Session pursuant to Chapter 551
00:00:51in Texas government code. It will consult with its attorney pursuant to
00:00:55Cection 551.071 of the Code. Deliberate personnel
00:00:59matters pursuant to Section 551.074 of the Code,
00:01:03and deliberate security matters pursuant to Section 551.076
00:01:07of the Code. We'll be back shortly.
Clip 29 - Chairman Gleeson concludes Closed Session, Public Meeting resumed
00:01:13Okay. The closed session is Hereby concluded at
00:01:179:39am on November 11th,
00:01:20November 21, 2024, and the Commission will resume its
00:01:23public meeting. No action will be taken by the Commission regarding matters
00:01:27discussed in Closed Session today. Okay, so we will
00:01:31move on to the agenda. Shelah
00:01:35we have, do we have any consent items today?
Clip 0.1 - Commission Counsel Shelah Cisneros lays out Consent Agenda
00:01:39Yes. Good morning Commissioners. By individual ballot,
00:01:42the Commission voted to place Item 21 on the consent agenda.
00:01:46No one has signed up to speak on that item. Perfect. Thank you.
Clip 0.1 - Chairman Gleeson asks for motion to approve items on Consent Agenda
00:01:50 I will entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda.
00:01:53So moved. Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye.
00:01:57Aye. Opposed? Motion prevails.
Clip 1 - Public comment for matters that are under the Commission’s jurisdiction, but not specifically posted on this agenda
00:02:00Okay. That'll take us to Item No. 1. Public comment. Shelah, is anyone signed
00:02:04up for public comment? Yes, we have one person that has signed up to speak,
00:02:07Cyrus Reed.
00:02:10Come on down.
00:02:15So if I signed up on a specific item. Oh, my apologies.
00:02:20I did not realize you signed it for item number six. No one
00:02:23has signed up for item number one. But we do have someone that signed up
00:02:26for item number six. All right. Thank you, Shelah.
Clip 4 - Project No. 55999 – Reports of the Electric Reliability Council of Texas
00:02:29So I don't have anything on item two or item three. So that will
00:02:32take us to Item No. 4. That's Project No. 55999,
00:02:36Reports of the Electric Reliability Council of Texas.
00:02:40So we have a couple of items under this project.
00:02:44I think it probably makes sense to start with the ORDC
00:02:48report. So I believe ERCOT is here to go over the
00:02:51ORDC.
Clip 4 - Ryan King - ERCOT - Update on ORDC Biennial Report
00:03:02 Good morning. Ryan King with ERCOT. Good morning.
00:03:05I'm very pleased to be able to provide the Commission with an update
00:03:10on the ORDC Biennial Report. So this
00:03:14report is required by statute to be filed every
00:03:17two years and is meant to analyze the ORDC's
00:03:21efficacy, utilization, related costs and contribution to
00:03:25grid reliability. So this report considers the
00:03:29period from 10-01-2022 to September
00:03:3330-2024. Some developments of note during
00:03:36this time period with respect to the market was
00:03:40the introduction of the ERCOT Contingency Reserve Service in June
00:03:43of 2023. This is an ancillary service that is predominantly
00:03:47provided by online resources.
00:03:51The grid also experienced very tight conditions
00:03:54particularly in the summer of 2023.
00:03:58And with respect to the ORDC itself, In November
00:04:02of 2023 there was the introduction of
00:04:05a multistep online reserve price adder floors
00:04:09to be applied when reserves fell below certain thresholds.
00:04:13This was originally meant to be a bridging mechanism to continue to provide
00:04:17price signals to support commitment and
00:04:21online reserves from dispatchable generation.
00:04:25So in terms of the results of this study, the performance of
00:04:28the ORDC during this period was in line with expectations
00:04:32based on its current design and the parameters, with the exception
00:04:36of what I've just noted, were relatively stable during this period. With respect
00:04:40compared to the 2022 to 2020 or, sorry,
00:04:43the 2020 to 2022 period. What is notable during
00:04:47this period is the impact that other factors in the ERCOT market had
00:04:51on both behavior and commitment. So during this period we saw
00:04:55a significant growing demand tighter conditions,
00:04:59particularly during the solar ramp down event. So in
00:05:03Summer 2023 for example, we had 49 days with peak
00:05:07demands greater than 80 gigawatts.
00:05:10This two year period also saw lower natural gas prices
00:05:14as well as new solar and energy storage capacity coming online.
00:05:18And these are also predominantly online resources.
00:05:22There was also a change in the composition of reserves
00:05:25toward more online reserves both in terms of
00:05:29the resources themselves and the requirements that came upon
00:05:33the introduction of ECRS. So what this period
00:05:36saw was a period where the ORDC
00:05:40price adders were observed at higher levels of reserves
00:05:43than had been done in the 2022 period.
00:05:47So the combination of lower fuel costs,
00:05:50online reserves and future price expectations
00:05:55continues to provide a strong market signal for resources to self commit based
00:05:59based on future price expectations, we saw a
00:06:03significant reduction in the amount of RUC as compared to
00:06:06the previous period with respect to the
00:06:09online reserve price adder floors. As noted, this was introduced
00:06:13on November 1st of 2023 for the reasons that
00:06:17I kind of outlined previously. There was a limited
00:06:20incidence of the floors actually being applicable since this
00:06:24was implemented in November. But we did do an analysis that
00:06:27showed that in the intervals where these price adders were in effect,
00:06:3285% of the output was from dispatchable generators.
00:06:36So notionally, this is continuing to send funds
00:06:40or market resources to the resources that are
00:06:44needed at those times. So to complete
00:06:48my summary here, ERCOT is not recommending any
00:06:51changes at this time to the ORDC. But we
00:06:55would note, and we noted this in the report as well, that the replacement
00:06:59of the ORDC framework with individual ancillary
00:07:02service demand curves is currently a topic of discussion at
00:07:06the Real Time Co-optimization plus Batteries Task Force.
00:07:10And that concludes my summary, but I'm happy to answer
00:07:14any questions you all may have. Thank you, Ryan. Commissioners, questions for ERCOT?
00:07:19Ryan, what is the expectation on the ancillary service demand
00:07:22curves? When do you have to have those completed to be able to launch RTC
00:07:27by December 2025?
00:07:30So I think the. Are you,
00:07:33Commissioner, are you asking, like, when they need to be approved in market rules,
00:07:37right? Like finally approved? Okay,
00:07:40okay. I might just defer to Keith here.
Clip 4 - Keith Collins - ERCOT - Expectation on ancillary service demand curves
00:07:45 All right. Keith Collins, ERCOT. I'll answer that question.
00:07:49The timeline is we are shooting to
00:07:52have things ready for market trials in May of
00:07:5625. And so we are aiming to get changes done
00:08:00at the, essentially the April board timeframe
00:08:04and then bring it before you shortly afterwards. And so that
00:08:08is our goal for any changes. There have been, as Ryan
00:08:12said, some discussions, if there are some discussions
00:08:16that we believe that we can implement and others may
00:08:20have to come after the RTC implementation, but those
00:08:24discussions are ongoing at the task force as we speak.
00:08:28So Keith, given that timeframe. I know the IMM has
00:08:31put a proposal forward, I believe, related to ORDC.
00:08:35I know, I've heard we've got some meetings set up. I've heard that
00:08:39perhaps some other market participants have maybe counter proposals
00:08:43to that to stay on your timeline. I feel like we
00:08:46probably need something back here to talk about in January.
00:08:51Does that seem right? So we are hoping to
00:08:54have an NPRR developed,
00:08:57at least initially developed in that, in that timeframe.
00:09:01But I think given some of the discussions
00:09:05that happened as late as yesterday, the ability
00:09:09to meet the timelines is going to be difficult.
00:09:11But I think we're in a position where if
00:09:15we do have movement, we can accommodate, but if
00:09:19we don't have movement, then that'll occur after implementation.
00:09:22There's nothing to say that we couldn't implement what we have now and still
00:09:26be effective. And then an enhancement could come afterwards.
00:09:29Right. So I think that's probably the path forward then, is you have a path
00:09:33in front of you with no changes. So I would ask then if
00:09:37anyone, any other stakeholder, has any counter proposal
00:09:42to have it ready to discuss, probably at the RTC+B
00:09:45task force in December, at the December meeting, and then,
00:09:49you know, whatever comes out of that, if we're going to change, I think it
00:09:52makes sense that any change needs to have a consensus approval to it.
00:09:56So I think if the stakeholders can work through something that
00:09:59gets consensus, then, you know, that's something we can discuss
00:10:02in January so that ERCOT can stay in their timeline. If no consensus can be
00:10:06reached, I think we have a fine path in front of us.
00:10:11Okay, all right, thank you.
00:10:15Any other questions? All right,
00:10:19thanks, y'all.
00:10:22So, next, why don't we talk about the CPS Braunig
00:10:26RMR. I think Chad's here to
00:10:30lay that out. So, Chad, I know this is going to come up at
00:10:33the ERCOT board meeting in a little less than two weeks,
Clip 4 - Chad Seely - ERCOT - CPS Braunig, RMR
00:10:37so why don't you kind of lay out where we are right now? Yes,
00:10:40thanks Chairman. Chad Seeley with ERCOT. So, as the chairman indicated,
00:10:43our next board meeting is December 3rd and we will have a
00:10:47voting item for the board to consider with respect to the CPS Braunig Units
00:10:511-3. So ERCOT staff is finishing its
00:10:55analysis and we'll be posting a presentation along with board decision
00:10:59template and the chemical days. So I'll just go ahead and kind of preview
00:11:03what we're going to be recommending to the ERCOT board.
00:11:06Our recommendation to the ERCOT board will be for them to move forward
00:11:10and approve an RMR agreement for unit 3 only, which is the
00:11:13largest unit that we've been talking to the Commission about since August
00:11:17of this year. That's the newest unit from
00:11:211970. It's 400 plus capacity and it's the one
00:11:24that we've been focused on for quite some time, working with CPS as far
00:11:28as making sure we understand the condition of the unit. As the
00:11:31Commission knows, all three of these units have to go through an inspection process
00:11:36before they're even available. CPS Energy moved
00:11:40its notice of suspension of operations to early March. So if the
00:11:44Board moves forward with an RMR agreement, that will allow us to move forward
00:11:47with that inspection work at the beginning of March trying to get that
00:11:51unit back for the summer of 2025.
00:11:54The other two units are older and lower capacity and
00:11:58have a little bit more uncertainty as far as the availability of
00:12:01that. So we Are exploring alternative as
00:12:05the Commission knows, we went out for a request for proposal
00:12:08initially to look for must run alternatives and we only received
00:12:12one offer that ultimately wasn't eligible based upon our criteria.
00:12:16So after that occurred, we started to contemplate working
00:12:20with CenterPoint and Lifecycle about the possibility of moving
00:12:25the mobile generation units from Houston to the San Antonio
00:12:28area. So for the last several weeks, we've been working with
00:12:32Lifecycle, which is the owner and operator of those assets,
00:12:34CenterPoint and CPS Energy, about the feasibility
00:12:38of moving those assets from the Houston area into the San Antonio
00:12:43area. Those would be 15 units on average,
00:12:4632 megawatts. So that is essentially the
00:12:49equivalent of what units one and two are. There's a lot of additional
00:12:53reliability benefits to have those units versus units 1 and
00:12:562. Mainly the diversity of those units where they
00:13:00can be located versus having two larger units that have the
00:13:04susceptibility having higher force outages. These are dual fuel
00:13:08capable units. They could be located
00:13:11in San Antonio with a higher shift factor.
00:13:14And obviously their start time is about 10 to
00:13:1815 minutes versus a longer lead time for units one and two.
00:13:22So there's a lot of additional qualitative reliability benefits
00:13:25to considering that option versus moving forward with
00:13:29units 1 and 2. So for the December board meeting, we're going to ask that
00:13:32the board defer any decision on units one and two so
00:13:36that we can continue to work on the feasibility of moving
00:13:39the mobile generation into the San Antonio unit area. And so
00:13:43the next opportunity for the board to consider those alternatives
00:13:47would be at their February board meeting. Now the
00:13:51feasibility idea comes to both a technical perspective,
00:13:55a cost perspective and a regulatory perspective. Those are the kind of the
00:13:59three buckets that we're looking at. A lot of work has been done on the
00:14:02technical side. We do believe it is technically feasible to move
00:14:06those 15 units into the San Antonio area.
00:14:09There's been tremendous work done by cps,
00:14:12Lifecycle and Centerpoint, including ERCOT staff, to evaluate the feasibility
00:14:16of that. The cost. We are working with all the
00:14:20parties to understand the cost. So I can't provide any additional information
00:14:23right now, but that's obviously a big factor is what is the cost to
00:14:27move those units and have them operate in the San Antonio area and
00:14:31then the regulatory process. So those are the three buckets
00:14:34that we're working on. We'll have more information to share at the board
00:14:38on December 1st, but right now our recommendation
00:14:41is to move forward with Unit 3 as an RMR agreement,
00:14:45continue to explore moving the CenterPoint mobile generation into the
00:14:48San Antonio area and continue to update the Commission and come back to
00:14:52the board in February. I will say that there's been discussion with
00:14:56state leadership, and I know Chairman Gleeson met with the Lieutenant Governor yesterday.
00:15:00And so state leadership is aware that we're working on this initiative, and they are
00:15:04supportive of us looking at this as a better,
00:15:07reliable solution that we need for the next couple of
00:15:10years until we get the transmission projects that come into service starting in 2027.
00:15:16Thank you, Chad. Commissioners, questions for Chad? I have questions.
00:15:19I'm not sure if it's best for Chad or CenterPoint, but it's on
00:15:23the financial side of what that does for CenterPoint.
00:15:26They're no longer responsible for the leasing. What does that do for their customers,
00:15:30going back to the money that they have already been paid and that sort of
00:15:33thing? And I'm not sure where it's appropriate to ask that. Yeah, I think
00:15:37at this point, like Chad said, they're still working out the money aspects.
00:15:41I think it may be just a little premature to get into that. I think
00:15:44that that is an important question we've been focusing a lot on. I think,
00:15:47to Chad's point, there are some qualitative reasons
00:15:52why these units may cost more than, say, Braunig 1 and 2 would.
00:15:57That, I think, are reasonable up to a certain point,
00:16:01but I think we need to kind of let them work on that, you know,
00:16:04and I think they. Everyone understands that there's a point at
00:16:08which the cost, you know, does not. The cost will outweigh the
00:16:11benefit of the units. And so everyone's trying to work within some, I think,
00:16:14pretty reasonable parameters on it.
00:16:19I have a question, and that is, I'm really supportive of
00:16:22y'all trying to work this out with centerpoint and cps.
00:16:26I think it seems great. And you know how that cost benefit is done.
00:16:30I hope they take into consideration the difference in ramp times
00:16:34between the old units and the new units, because the market impact of that
00:16:37could be substantial if these are Quick Start units, which they
00:16:41are. The other
00:16:44thing is you put out an RFI or RFP.
00:16:48What was the one response you got and what made it ineligible
00:16:52for or outside the parameters which you listed?
00:16:56So it was a 200 megawatt battery that was north of
00:16:59the constraint, but it did not meet the offering requirements in the RFP.
00:17:03So the offering requirements into the RFP, they essentially
00:17:07wanted it to operate it from an offering standpoint, like any other resource
00:17:11battery. Would it have
00:17:15technically solve part of the problem? It would have from a technical perspective
00:17:19on where it was located. It would have obviously provided some relief on the constraint,
00:17:24but it was only 200 megawatts and would have been. Wouldn't have been a full
00:17:27solution.
00:17:31Thank you.
Clip 4 - Barksdale English - Deputy Executive Director - Cost & regulatory rate concerns
00:17:34 Chairman, I just want to let you and the Commissioners
00:17:38know that Dave Gordon, Jenna Keller and I have
00:17:41also been participating in these conversations that Chad was describing just over the.
00:17:45We can keep an eye on the cost and regulatory rate
00:17:48issues as they start developing. And so
00:17:52we're participating in that process, and hopefully we'll
00:17:56have some better information as the situation develops
00:18:00in the short future. Thank you for that,
00:18:02Barksdale. So I think all I would add is I'm
00:18:06extremely supportive of this as well. Like you said, I spoke to Lieutenant Governor yesterday.
00:18:10I think this is an elegant solution to a number of
00:18:14issues that we're facing. And so,
00:18:17you know, continue to keep us kind of apprised of what's going on.
00:18:20But I think if I could, you know, say anything to everyone
00:18:24that's involved in those discussions, I think it would be a good outcome
00:18:27if we could figure out a way to make this work for everybody. So I'm
00:18:31hopeful that those negotiations will continue in earnest and we
00:18:34can come to a solution that's good for everyone.
00:18:38All right, thank you, Chad. Thank you.
Clip 4 - Chairman Gleeson lays out ERCOT's filed proposed order
00:18:41 Then the last item under this project is ERCOT filed
00:18:46a proposed order for a good cause exception to
00:18:5025 508, which is the deadline to file by December
00:18:541st, the max load shed that can be safely rotated.
00:18:59In their filing, they said, you know, they've put out RFIs to
00:19:02the transmission operators and would just like more time.
00:19:06Staff agrees, and so I'm in favor of giving
00:19:10them this extension, but happy to hear. Any other thoughts.
00:19:14Makes sense to me. Yeah, I'm good with the extension as well.
00:19:18This is the first go around in trying to get the information from
00:19:21the tsps for the magnitude metric of the reliability
00:19:25standard, which is a very important driver of the standard. So more
00:19:28time, needs more time to work with the tsps to make sure they get it
00:19:32right. Just go around and develop the framework they need going forward.
00:19:35I'm good with that. Same.
Clip 4 - Motion to direct Staff to draft an order consistent with ERCOT's memo
00:19:40Okay. Then I will entertain a motion
00:19:43to direct staff to draft an order consistent with
00:19:46ERCOT's memo. So moved. Second. I have a motion and a second.
00:19:50All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion prevails.
Clip 5 - Project No. 54445 – Review of Protocols Adopted by the Independent Organization
00:19:56All right. That'll move us to Item No. 5. That is
00:20:00Project No. 54445, review of protocols adopted
00:20:04by the independent organization. We had two
00:20:07proposed orders in this. One related to the AS methodology and one for
00:20:11the 12 protocol revisions that were approved. By the board in October.
00:20:15Do you have any thoughts or questions on either?
00:20:19I think it's good that we're getting into this.
00:20:23Much more into curtailable load. It's a big impact on the system
00:20:27and having this tool at ERCOT's control is something that's really
00:20:31valuable I think going forward. Where at the start of this, as everyone knows.
00:20:35And if these numbers grow, it could be an even bigger reliability tool
00:20:38for them.
00:20:42Okay. So Shelah, since we have two. It probably makes sense to do two motions.
Clip 5 - Motion to approve proposed order approving ERCOT's revision requests
00:20:46Yes, sir. Okay. So I'll entertain a motion to approve the proposed
00:20:49order approving ERCOT's revision requests. So moved.
00:20:54Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye. Aye.
Clip 5 - Motion to approve proposed order approving 2025 ERCOT methodologies
00:20:57Opposed? Motion prevails. I'll entertain a motion
00:21:01to approve the proposed order approving 2025 ERCOT
00:21:04methodologies for determining minimum ancillary service requirements. So moved.
00:21:09Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor say aye.
00:21:12Aye. Opposed? Motion prevails.
Clip 6 - Project No. 55845 – Review of Ancillary Services in the ERCOT Market
00:21:16All Right. Item No. 6. That's Project 55845,
00:21:20Review of Ancillary Services in the ERCOT market with the ancillary
00:21:24services study. So I think I'll have Staff come up and
00:21:28lay out their recommendations. And Chairman, we do have one person that signed
00:21:32up to speak for this audience. Thank you, Shelah. Cyrus, if you want to come
00:21:35up.
00:21:41Good morning. Two days in a row that I've gotten to see you, so.
Clip 6 - Cyrus Reed – Lone Star Chapter of Sierra Club - DRRS
00:21:43 Yes. Concerned, concerned citizen. I'm Cyrus
00:21:47Reed, Lone Star Chapter of the Sierra Club.
00:21:51Very much appreciate the ongoing discussion about Ancillary
00:21:55Services. Wanted to mention one issue that has
00:21:59two subtopics below it.
00:22:02DRSS. Very much support the
00:22:06staff recommendation. DRRS.
00:22:09DRRS. Sorry, I'm starting out
00:22:13with a bang. Very much support the Staff
00:22:16recommendation that this was intended to be a operational ancillary
00:22:20tool. Concern though,
00:22:24that at this point in the process we dictate
00:22:28exactly what that tool looks like. And I say that because there
00:22:31are ongoing discussions at Ross WMS.
00:22:35Sog. I always want to say swag. Sog about
00:22:40the nature of that product. Is it only offline resources?
00:22:44Is it offline and online? Could it include storage?
00:22:47Could it not? Could it be co optimized? Could it not? So I
00:22:51would urge the Commission to give clear direction on
00:22:55the intent, but leave the particulars
00:22:59to that process because there's still time to figure that out. And I know the
00:23:02IMM just filed comments yesterday, so that is,
00:23:06those are my comments and I'm sticking to them, even though I can't remember acronyms.
00:23:10Thank you, Cyrus. Thank you. So. And I know, Commissioner Hjaltman
00:23:14filed a memo on this as well. So why don't we have Staff kind
00:23:17of lay out the study and then Commissioner Hjaltman, you can
00:23:21lay out your memo. I think it's my intent to
00:23:24have everyone go over this. You know, I think
00:23:28we're having meetings set up, people want to come in and talk. So to
00:23:31bring this back to the December 12th open meeting,
00:23:34I've talked to Staff. So what I would ask of you
00:23:38all is if there are changes you want or ideas you want to propose,
00:23:42if we could have those memos for that meeting filed no later
00:23:46than December 6th. So that Staff has time to review
00:23:50them and consider incorporating them. I think
00:23:53that would be helpful to Staff. Okay. And are those
00:23:56memos from industry or just us? From us. From us.
Clip 6 - Julie Gauldin – Commission Staff - Update on Ancillary Services Study
00:24:02All right. Good morning. Good morning.
00:24:06I'm Julie Gauldin with Staff. I have Chris Brown and Floyd Walker
00:24:10with me also. And we are here to provide an update
00:24:14on the review of ancillary services in the ERCOT market, also known
00:24:18as the Ancillary Services Study. This study was jointly
00:24:22conducted by ERCOT, the IMM and Staff over
00:24:26the course of about the past year.
00:24:32On November 15, Staff filed its recommendations
00:24:35on the study, and this follows the draft study that was
00:24:39published on October 1, which included the overall quantitative
00:24:42and qualitative review as well as specific recommendations
00:24:46from ERCOT and the IMM on potential improvements to
00:24:50the set of ancillary services and how they are procured.
00:24:54Over the course of the study, staff hosted two workshops with
00:24:57stakeholders as well as soliciting and receiving formal comments on
00:25:01staff questions on the draft report. Stakeholder input
00:25:05plus ERCOT and IMM teamwork were
00:25:08key to getting to this point, and we very much appreciate the involvement
00:25:12of those groups. Staff recommendations are
00:25:15organized around seven key topics and these are
00:25:19sufficiency of the current ancillary services,
00:25:22providing adequate incentives for dispatchable generation,
00:25:28and then three around procurement quantities. What is the appropriate
00:25:31criteria for determining quantities? Dynamic determination
00:25:35of quantities, Probabilistic modeling of AS quantities.
00:25:40DRRS is the sixth topic and the last one is a catch all for
00:25:44other topics, including other related reliability services.
00:25:49We're not asking for a decision from you today, as the Chairman
00:25:52mentioned. We will bring this to you at the next two open
00:25:57meetings, and we are requesting that
00:26:00a suitable version of these recommendations be formalized as Commission recommendations
00:26:05to be included in the agency's report as
00:26:09you as you see fit and as such,
00:26:13I already mentioned, we will bring this to the next two open meetings.
00:26:17We can answer any questions and provide more information that you would like. So thank
00:26:21you and appreciate all the work on this. Commissioner Hjaltman,
Clip 6 - Commissioner Hjaltman lays out her memo
00:26:25would you like to lay out your memo? Sure. I will just
00:26:28do kind of a brief overview. Obviously the memo speaks for itself,
00:26:31but thank you Staff, IMM, ERCOT, stakeholders for all
00:26:35your work. I know this was a huge undertaking.
00:26:38Some of the notes from stakeholders really noted that the second
00:26:41component of 35.004g did not
00:26:45get included. And in speaking, and that's the incentivizing of dispatchable
00:26:49and speaking with staff, I understand that it is
00:26:53because there's so many things we just adopted. The reliability standard.
00:26:57DRS is still outstanding. We have RTC+B
00:27:00that will come into play. And so once those are in, it will be easier
00:27:04to do a holistic review of the market as a whole,
00:27:08which I actually understand. I just want to make sure that in our
00:27:112026 reliability assessment that is going to
00:27:15be coming, we also include ancillary service as again
00:27:19as a part of that review. So that's my ask of
00:27:22staff on that part, so we don't miss that component.
00:27:26And then also I think we've heard loud and clear that we
00:27:29need to decide how we will be procuring and actually make it
00:27:33a clear statement from the dais as we're moving
00:27:36forward. And if it is not loadshed, if it is not
00:27:40going to be watches, if there are any ideas from staff of what
00:27:43type of criteria we should use, I ask that you all bring those forward so
00:27:47we can discuss those in the next few meetings. Thank you,
00:27:51Commissioners. Questions?
00:27:54I think what you wrote is right on target. Thank you, Jimmy.
Clip 6 - Commissioner Glotfelty's thoughts on report
00:27:58Absolutely. Absolutely. And I do have a couple thoughts
00:28:02about the entirety of the report, if now is
00:28:06appropriate. Absolutely. So I'm wondering if at some point
00:28:10in time we should define dispatchable resource
00:28:14in our rules. It gets used quite often,
00:28:18it seems like from the legislature and at ERCOT and in
00:28:21the industry and with within our products,
00:28:25but with no set definition. We are kind of,
00:28:29I think, doing somewhat
00:28:33of a disservice to the entire market. So I
00:28:36throw that out there for discussion in the future. And then
00:28:40secondly, I will have a memo for
00:28:44the next meeting on the battery
00:28:48component of DRRS and we'll
00:28:52get that filed by the 6th. So I just wanted to throw that out there.
00:28:58Okay, Commissioners, any other questions? Otherwise,
00:29:01I appreciate the efforts of everybody to do
00:29:04this. We've been. I pushed for this for a long time.
00:29:08You all did really good work and I'm glad you all worked together with
00:29:11stakeholders, the IMM and ERCOT. Thank you.
Clip 6 - Commissioner Cobos' thoughts on report
00:29:16 I just, I want to thank Staff, Harika and her team and everybody.
00:29:20Floyd, Chris, in getting all this work done
00:29:24and also ERCOT and the IMM. This has been a
00:29:27study that has been in motion for a while. I know
00:29:31Commissioner Glotfelty, you've been an advocate of getting this done. It was a requirement of
00:29:34SB3, and so thank you for your hard work
00:29:38in getting this done. There's a lot of really important
00:29:42information in this report, but I think overall, my thought
00:29:46on this is that there has to be
00:29:49regulatory certainty of some sort coming out of these recommendations.
00:29:53Whether the Commission ultimately stays with conservative operations or a mix
00:29:56between conservative operations and dynamic. Whatever it is, there has to be regulatory
00:30:00certainty because both the power gen and the LSCs
00:30:04have to plan. And I think that that's
00:30:09really important as a baseline. I've heard
00:30:13some concerns from some of the stakeholders
00:30:18that there could be shifts in the way ancillary
00:30:21services are procured based on some of the recommendations and
00:30:26potential outcomes from it. But I think overall, I think it's
00:30:30important to decide which way
00:30:33you're going so that there's regulatory certainty in the
00:30:36revenues that come from those ancillary services that are used for investment
00:30:41purposes. You know, I like the
00:30:44fact that they that staff included a demand response component.
00:30:48I think the optimization of demand side of the reliability equation is extremely important.
00:30:52We have so much low growth coming out of the system and
00:30:55figuring out ways to optimize that demand is
00:30:59going to be really important future. I think there's room for
00:31:02improvement in ERS. We got some of that information maybe a year
00:31:06ago or so on how you can unlock more load resources to participate.
00:31:10But overall, I think these are good recommendations.
00:31:13I hear what Commissioner Glotfelty is saying, you know, DRS is definitely
00:31:17going to be a very important topic of conversation in the coming months. And so.
00:31:21But thank you. And just general thoughts.
00:31:24Thanks. Yeah. I think what I would say in response to that, Commissioner Cobos,
00:31:28is, you know, I think it's a point well taken
00:31:32and I've heard a lot as well that we, when we're looking at procuring ancillary
00:31:36services, when ERCOT is what are we solving for? Are we trying to
00:31:40avoid load shed? Are we trying to avoid EDA conditions,
00:31:44watches? I think that's important for us to indicate what we're solving
00:31:48for and then once we kind of stipulate what we're solving
00:31:51for, I think it's important for us to kind of show our math and to
00:31:54show the methodology for getting there. I know, I've talked to Connie and Barksdale
00:31:58about both of those things. I think they're important. I think the
00:32:02market needs transparency into both of those things that maybe they
00:32:05feel has been lacking. So I think it's incumbent on us to provide both
00:32:09of those things. Yeah, there's been so much changes in the last several years.
00:32:12Right. Is the amount, for, if you keep conservative operations,
00:32:16is the amount still the right amount? Have so much load coming out
00:32:20of the system, system, new types of generation, and there's
00:32:23just, you know, market changes that have happened.
00:32:26So, you know, is that the right number?
00:32:30I think the. It would also be valuable to show
00:32:34the market in time, as renewables
00:32:39continue to grow in the system, the amount of ancillary services will grow in the
00:32:42system. And to have some kind of a metric or an
00:32:45understanding or math that goes with that, that,
00:32:49you know, is setting some expectation,
00:32:53you know, or maybe it's, you know, setting expectation across the street that
00:32:57the more renewables that are on the system, the more ancillary services that we're going
00:33:01to have to buy for certain reasons and in certain buckets. And that's
00:33:05just an operational fact. And that if we can
00:33:09project that, that may be a signal that shows
00:33:12that we're at least understanding what. What could happen in the future
Clip 6 - Chairman Gleeson's thoughts on report
00:33:16if that growth happens. Right. And I think the
00:33:19only other thing I would say, I think the discussions around DRRS
00:33:23are going to be very important. You know, being involved
00:33:27in those discussions last session, obviously DRRS was put out there for
00:33:31a multitude of reasons, but a couple being, you know,
00:33:35as maybe an alternative to needing to implement the PCM, but also to
00:33:39reduce RUCs. And so I think it's important to be
00:33:43nuanced in our discussion. If ancillary services are not meant
00:33:47to deal with resource adequacy issues, then what are?
00:33:50Because, you know, not to. Not to speak like a
00:33:54former chairman of this Commission, but, you know, we previously talked about turning
00:33:58a lot of knobs. And so it does make me think,
00:34:01if we're not going to look to DRRS to do that,
00:34:04what knobs will we be turning if we do an analysis and it
00:34:08shows that we're not meeting our reliability standards? So I think we need to think
00:34:12through that. I'm going to have those conversations with market participants
00:34:16and with Staff because I would suggest dispatchable
00:34:20energy credit. There's one idea.
00:34:23Oh, boy, flashback. There's one idea.
00:34:26No shortage of great ideas all over the place.
00:34:30But I definitely want to talk about that because. Because, you know,
00:34:33I agree that as a primary attribute,
00:34:37ancillary services are not necessarily intended to deal with resource adequacy issues.
00:34:41They're meant to deal with, you know, intraday operational
00:34:45issues. But we need to keep talking about
00:34:49resource adequacy needs and what we can do to meet
00:34:53those needs. And so I want to have those discussions,
00:34:55particularly around DRRS as we look,
00:34:59you know, just because our
00:35:02legislature called DRRS an ancillary service,
00:35:06it's not an ancillary service defined under NERC guidelines.
00:35:11There are only four or five of them. So,
00:35:14you know, I say that because we're using
00:35:17that terminology, but we may have a different tool for it,
00:35:21notwithstanding that terminology. And if you really want to flashback,
00:35:24the DRS kind of looks like an in
00:35:28market brs.
00:35:31There you go. I need to get my acronym sheet out,
00:35:35Chairman. Okay, well, we have a training on that. Okay,
00:35:38thank you. Thank you. Okay, so any other questions
Clip 6 - Barksdale English - The view of ancillary services & their contribution to revenue sufficiency
00:35:42or comments? Barksdale. Thanks, Chairman. I just, I want to make
00:35:46sure that the nuance that we're staff is trying to balance here
00:35:51in terms of how ancillary. How we view ancillary services and their
00:35:54contribution to revenue sufficiency. And I think
00:35:58we tried to say in our study, in this draft report that
00:36:02as a first order principle, any product that is
00:36:05an ancillary service needs to be designed to address the risk that
00:36:09it's supposed to be mitigating. Only after you do that,
00:36:12only after you set those conditions, do we then start thinking about the revenue
00:36:16that that product, that service can provide, the entity that's
00:36:20offering the service, because it does, of course, have value. It is
00:36:23one of many streams of revenue for a resource
00:36:27entity to be able to earn its
00:36:30money back and then to also be able to show future
00:36:35investors that there are ways to earn money in this market.
00:36:39So I just wanted to verbally say that
00:36:42we recognize and value the revenue that resource
00:36:47entities make off of ancillary services. But as a first order
00:36:50principle, they're not designed to address revenue first,
00:36:54they're designed to address risk first.
00:36:59Yeah, I appreciate, again, that nuance. I want to thank you and the team
00:37:04talking through this with me. I want to continue those conversations because,
00:37:07again, you know, there were discussions around DRRS
00:37:11and what its purpose was for. And so I just want to make sure
00:37:14that we're keeping those in mind as we're looking at DRS
00:37:18implementation. So. All right, Any other questions,
00:37:22comments? All right, again, Julie,
00:37:26everybody, thank you for all the work on this. Appreciate it.
00:37:29And look forward to the conversation at the next open meeting. Absolutely. Thank you.
Clip 7 - Project No. 56962 – Virtual Currency Mining Registration
00:37:35All right. That'll bring us to Item No. 7. That is Project No.
00:37:3956962. Virtual currency mining and registration.
00:37:45And Commissioner Hjaltman filed a memo.
00:37:55Please lay out your memo. Sorry, I'm just making up for recusing myself
Clip 7 - Commissioner Hjaltman lays out her memo
00:37:58Jimmy. I'm sorry. This is very simple. In reading
00:38:02the rules written, the registration process and
00:38:06renewal was a little confusing. So we worked through
00:38:10and I think this clears up that there is a date that
00:38:13you must renew by and then there is a date that the Commission
00:38:18Staff will have that they identify as a cutoff
00:38:23point. And so we just wanted to clear up the two dates a little bit.
00:38:26I think that works for staff, but I can answer any questions if anybody
00:38:30has any. Yeah, I'm. I'm comfortable with your edits, I guess.
00:38:33Staff, anything to add? We agreed.
00:38:39Kim Van Winkle with Commission Staff.
00:38:43Can you repeat what you said? The Staff agrees with the changes
00:38:47outlined in the Commissioner's memo.
00:38:51Commissioners, thoughts? I have totally agree with
00:38:55the memo. So I'm appreciative that you took the time to write it and file
00:38:58it. So I do have one other question for
00:39:02the Staff on that. And this is on page 25
00:39:07of the rule, section F. It says
00:39:10that in addition or as part of the filing,
00:39:15a currency minor must file the
00:39:18anticipated peak load in megawatts from the facility
00:39:22for each year of the five year period beginning on the date of the registration.
00:39:26Is that intended to be a rolling number? That each year
00:39:29they're looking out and giving a next five year projection
00:39:33of what they anticipate their load to be?
Clip 7 - Kim Van Winkle – Commission Staff - Registrants updating information annually
00:39:37 Yes, I anticipate that registrants would update that
00:39:41information annually with their filing. And then if you look
00:39:44down at subject section H at the end of the year, they report
00:39:48the actual numbers as well.
00:39:51I think it's really important that as we're looking at this load growth,
00:39:56that this help us give ERCOT and
00:40:00the market an understanding of what those actual projections are from
00:40:03the cryptocurrencies standpoint. And having
00:40:07them every year, look five years out is
00:40:11a really important component of this, I think for reliability. So I'm
00:40:15glad that's what it stands for. And I'm supportive of what y'all have done.
00:40:19They put that in there just for you. So I think that's. Thank you.
00:40:23Sorry. I'm sorry, Commissioner Hjaltman. You had to get
00:40:26yours in by memo. Mine just got in there by itself.
00:40:29Just following instructions.
00:40:34Any other thoughts? No, I'm good with the changes for proposed in
00:40:38memo. Okay. Mr. Chairman. Yes,
Clip 7 - David Smeltzer – Commission Staff - Update of final draft
00:40:41sir. Before you, David Smeltzer, Commission Staff.
00:40:45before you make a motion on final edits. When we are implementing Commissioner
00:40:49Hjaltman's into a draft. We identified one line
00:40:52in the rule that says the data, the initial filing should
00:40:55be made by February 1st. And then it said, like, or 60
00:40:59days after. That was a change that we rejected in discussion and didn't intend
00:41:02to include. So we removed that line from the final draft. So if you would.
00:41:06If that's acceptable, if your motion would include
00:41:09this edit in the discussion, that would be appreciated. It shouldn't
00:41:13change anything in the real world for the applicants. I'm fine with
Clip 7 - Motion to adopt proposed rule
00:41:16that. Okay. All right, then I will entertain
00:41:20a motion to adopt the proposed rule as modified by
00:41:23Commissioner Hjaltman's memo and our discussion. So
00:41:26moved. Second. I have a motion and a second.
00:41:30All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion prevails.
00:41:33Thank you all.
Clip 11 - Project No. 57152 – Identifying Transmission Service Providers for Implementing the Permian Basin Reliability Plan
00:41:37All right. I don't have anything, then, until we get to
00:41:41Item No. 11. That's Project No. 57152,
00:41:45identifying transmission service providers for implementing the Permian Basin Reliability
Clip 11 - Commissioner Cobos provides update on Permian Basin Reliability Plan
00:41:49Plan. I think we have an update from Commissioner Cobos. Yes.
00:41:52So just a quick update. I had the opportunity to go out to Midland this
00:41:56past Monday to speak to the membership of the Permian Basin
00:41:59Petroleum Association about the reliability plan
00:42:02that the Commission approved for the region. And just,
00:42:06you know, they're so excited out there about this massive development
00:42:10that's coming to unlock more oil and gas
00:42:13exploration drilling advancement. And so just
00:42:18to provide feedback to y'all that they are so appreciative of
00:42:21the work that has been done here to move this fast down
00:42:25the line and have this investment, you know, out there
00:42:29of ERCOT. And so I wanted to communicate that
00:42:33back. Thank you. No, I appreciate you bringing that feedback
Clip 11 - Commissioner Glotfelty's thoughts on update on plan
00:42:36back to us. I do have one thought on that. I was reading the
00:42:40comments by the stakeholders in this process,
00:42:44and Texas and New Mexico specifically brought up that they
00:42:47would like to be heard if they think a substation
00:42:51ought to be a different substation,
00:42:54and that would change who the line might be awarded to.
00:42:58And to me, that understanding
00:43:02that or hearing that would be pretty logical towards
00:43:06making a final decision. I don't know where that goes in this process, so it
00:43:09doesn't slow it down. But to me, it would seem like
00:43:13having the ability for multiple utilities
00:43:17to error what their views are
00:43:21shouldn't slow down the process. Tell me if I'm
00:43:24wrong, but I'm happy to hear your feedback. I mean, as long as it doesn't
00:43:27slow the process. I mean, I don't really have any feedback on this right now.
00:43:30But you know, I guess is
00:43:34there an opportunity for stakeholders to provide feedback still or we're just kind of
00:43:38moving through the process right now of like. So I think this is
00:43:41when ERCOT or the utilities file
00:43:45the designations as to who they
00:43:48think should build those lines. And all
00:43:52I would say is if during that open
00:43:55meeting that we're thinking about that maybe what we do is we provide an opportunity
00:43:59for somebody to come up and speak why
00:44:03they think it should be changed. I mean, I think
00:44:07they just deserve an airing of being able to speak their mind.
00:44:10Yeah, that's kind of a tough situation. Right. Because you don't want to go back
00:44:13and sort of reconstruct the plan. But I hear what you're saying.
Clip 11 - Barksdale English - Feedback on the update on Permian Basin Reliability Plan
00:44:17Barksdale, looks like you have feedback. I have not read those
00:44:21comments from tnmp, so this is subject to check.
00:44:24But the process that you all adopted provided
00:44:30for a period of time for stakeholders to contest the
00:44:33designation of endpoints and line ownership. And that time
00:44:37period has passed. So I know that those filings
00:44:41were made in the project. And so we're in the process now
00:44:45of severing out those contested routes from
00:44:48the kind of the omnibus plan
00:44:52order that should be coming before you. I don't
00:44:56know the timeline off the top of my head, but if TNMP
00:44:59had questions about the ownership that was. I think that was their opportunity to.
00:45:04They might have followed. It just struck me that when you've got
00:45:07debate between transmission and distribution owners,
00:45:13they should be heard. So. And that's exactly why we did that process, so we
00:45:16could have it on file, which hopefully they did. Right. Got it.
00:45:20Filled that in. Well, I don't withdraw my thought, but maybe
00:45:24I'm never withdraw your thoughts? Yes. Anyway, I'd like to be
00:45:28in a talk with about it and see if this happened or not. And TNMP
00:45:31did file a dispute on some projects, so that'll work itself out and
00:45:35perhaps that falls into that bucket of the dispute that will have
00:45:38to be worked itself out either with the corresponding TSPs
00:45:42or ultimately the contested case.
00:45:46Barksdale, thank you for that clarification on the bifurcated
00:45:49process. Anything else?
00:45:53All right, good work. Thank you. Yes.
Clip 12 - Project No. 55421 – Texas Advanced Nuclear Reactor Working Group
00:45:56 So that'll take us to Item 12. That is Project No.
00:46:0055421. Texas Advanced Nuclear Reactor
00:46:05Working Group and believe we have an update from Commissioner Jimmy
00:46:08Neutron. Commissioner Glotfelty,
00:46:13congratulations on getting the report out on Monday and the conference.
00:46:16I have my personal copy which I will ask you to sign.
00:46:20Sign after this. I will also ask VA to sign
00:46:23it. She will sign above you because we know who did most of the work.
00:46:26Absolutely right. Absolutely right. Congratulations. In all
00:46:30seriousness, congratulations. I know how much work you,
00:46:33all your team, everyone that was involved put in.
00:46:37I mean, if you just read through the names of all the folks that had
00:46:40some level of attribution to getting this done. A lot of work by a lot
00:46:44of folks. Wonderful job. Yeah. Thank you.
Clip 12 - Commissioner Glotfelty's update on processing the report
00:46:47 Thank you. It was a great experience for me
00:46:52to be a part of this and learned a lot,
00:46:55met a lot of people that are really, really smart and really, really dedicated to
00:46:59this. And I am just,
00:47:03you know, a lot of. It's like making
00:47:07sausage at the end of the process. But the report came out,
00:47:11I think, the way it's supposed to. There's a body of work behind it that
00:47:15people have spent a lot of time on, and that body of work still
00:47:18stands. Whether those final recommendations made it in here or
00:47:22not. There are still issues that can be utilized
00:47:26for discussion across the street to benefit the
00:47:31opportunity for nuclear power to expand in ERCOT.
00:47:35I'd be remiss if I didn't thank some people on the Commission
00:47:39Staff who were really helpful,
00:47:43obviously. VA, who led the effort
00:47:49here from a logistics perspective. She did a
00:47:53great job. She was a leader by far and recognized
00:47:56by everybody on the working group. Tyler Nicholson
00:48:00and Jacob Bulzak from the Staff. They were really involved and we appreciate
00:48:04them. Jay Stone, we couldn't have done it without him
00:48:08helping us get money and have the RFP passed
00:48:11to let us use the Bureau of Business Research to
00:48:15help get it written. Lauren, who helped with
00:48:19scheduling. Jess and Brooke, who were really, really involved.
00:48:23Jess, thank you for all of the minutes that you wrote that was
00:48:27important. Rich, Ellie, Drake, Deidrez,
00:48:31all involved in how we did this at the end. And then I
00:48:34would like to especially thank the Commissioners. Kathleen, you were at every
00:48:39meeting. You could be and is such a believer in nuclear power and everybody
00:48:43else. This wasn't an easy
00:48:46process outside of the Commission, but we did
00:48:50the best we could. I think the Governor's extremely happy.
00:48:53The positive nature of the
00:48:57reporting on this, I think, is a testament to those who were part
00:49:01of it. So I'm appreciative. If you need a
00:49:04copy, it's on the PUC. It's in the docket.
00:49:08And thank you.
00:49:11It's nice to get back to being a regular Commissioner.
00:49:15A lot of freed up time now. We throw some other things your way,
00:49:18so it's good to know. Oh, I forgot. Francisco Francisco
00:49:22Castellanos, who was the. Who printed.
00:49:25Who printed this report. So everyone
00:49:29deserves a thank you from me on that and from the Governor's office.
00:49:33And thank you all very much. Thank you for all the work on
00:49:36this. We will be having a signing opportunity
00:49:41after the open meeting. Commissioner Jackson
00:49:44has got a celebratory cake for you and VA. So for
00:49:47those who are available after the open meeting to celebrate all the
00:49:51great work, but part of your duty during that will be to sign at
00:49:55least my copy of the report. So,
00:49:58again, tremendous work.
00:50:01Glad that part's behind you. But the work's just beginning,
00:50:05in all honesty, so great job. Thank you.
00:50:08Congratulations. Thank you.
00:50:11Okay, so that will take us. I don't have anything on 13. 21
00:50:16got consented. So that'll take us to Item 25.
00:50:20Hey, can I go back and Danny Ziggin,
00:50:24who works at the University of Texas.
00:50:27I didn't mention her when I was speaking at the Texas Nuclear
00:50:31alliance meeting. She was hired by
00:50:36the nuclear Engineering group at UT and helped us tremendously
00:50:40through the months and months and months of this process. And I didn't thank her
00:50:44then, but she deserves a thank you now.
00:50:48So I'd like to get that in the record that she.
00:50:52I thank her for all of her work. Very good.
Clip 25 - Project No. 56822 – Issues Related to the Disaster Resulting from Hurricane Beryl
00:50:56Okay. So that'll bring us to item 25.
00:51:00That is Project No. 56822.
00:51:03Investigation of emergency preparedness and response by utilities in
00:51:07Houston, surrounding communities. I think we have our Beryl
00:51:11investigation report.
Clip 25 - Luisa Venegoni – Commission Staff - Beryl Investigation Report
00:51:14Good morning, Luisa. Good morning. Luisa Venegoni with Staff.
00:51:18I just quickly want to say a few thank yous. I want
00:51:21to thank the team that came together for this project. It was first
00:51:25of its kind and we had folks from about eight different divisions involved
00:51:29in information gathering and analysis and drafting the
00:51:33report. Particularly, I want to thank JB Laser for
00:51:36his leadership on this project. We also had folks like
00:51:41it comms and public engagement involved in supporting
00:51:44the online public comment form and the workshop
00:51:48we did in Houston. All in all,
00:51:50very big collaborative effort and we had a really strong team involved. So just
00:51:55want to thank everyone for that.
00:51:57Absolutely. Commissioners, any questions
00:52:01of staff thoughts on the. The report?
00:52:05No, I think the report was great. Thank you for all your work on it.
00:52:08I know it was lots of time spent, so thank you for that.
00:52:11Yes, thank you. I know a lot of man hours are put into that and
Clip 25 - Commissioner Glotfelty's thoughts on the report
00:52:15appreciate all the hard work. I have
00:52:18two comments, one of. And neither of them require
00:52:22a change in the report, but I think that I
00:52:26just like to make sure that the utilities hear
00:52:31this. One of them is that one of the recommendations
00:52:35is annual hurricane and major storm drills
00:52:38with other utilities, it's important that
00:52:43major contractors and vegetation management companies be involved in those
00:52:47as well. It's not specifically stated, but I think what we found with
00:52:52Beryl was that they are
00:52:55part of the critical path and understanding how they can get there and when
00:52:58they can get there on time would be an important part of those
00:53:03drills going forward. So I would just say that I hope
00:53:07they can do that. And secondly, I would say that I
00:53:11don't know if this is the case across all systems, and I do believe that
00:53:14CenterPoint is fixing this. But when you have
00:53:18mutual assistance crews go out and fix the system,
00:53:23the work order process for delivering those to
00:53:27the mutual assistance crews and the confirmation
00:53:31that the work has been completed should be electronic. In this day and age,
00:53:35it shouldn't be paper copies,
00:53:38which increases time and effort of those driving.
00:53:43If it's paper. That is something that was a challenge that I think CenterPoint
00:53:47had during Beryl. I think they are absolutely fixing it because
00:53:52that allows the information for the outage update,
00:53:56the outage tracker to be more timely for consumers.
00:54:00So I would just say that work on that would be pretty important
00:54:04to ensure that all the data that the consumers see is accurate
Clip 25 - Chairman's thoughts on the report
00:54:07and up to date. Yeah. And I would just say in regards
00:54:11to that, when I went to Houston to do the press conference
00:54:15with the Governor, we went out with CenterPoint and I did hear those
00:54:18same kind of complaints from those crews that the amount of driving
00:54:22at the end of the day to get from where they were working back to
00:54:25the site to submit their paperwork and then drive sometimes,
00:54:28you know, tens of miles back to the hotel at the end of the
00:54:31day was adding a lot to their work day. And so I think points well
00:54:34taken.
00:54:38Anything else as far as the recommendations for the
00:54:41Commission to go forth on, do we need to do anything in regards to those?
00:54:44Chairman? Yeah. So I think since the
00:54:48ask is for these to be included, this report to be included
00:54:52as an addendum to the agency report, I think it makes sense
00:54:55to have a motion to approve the report and to have
00:54:59to authorize staff to put this report as an addendum to
00:55:02the agency report report. And then probably since it's,
00:55:05you know, got some length to it, let staff make any perfecting,
00:55:09non substantive changes they need to. So Connie,
Clip 25 - Connie Corona – Executive Director - Rule changes on the report
00:55:14does that make sense? Yes, it absolutely does.
00:55:17And I what I heard also in Commissioner Hjaltman's
00:55:22question is where we recommended rule changes
00:55:26in the report. We will go ahead and add those onto
00:55:30our rulemaking list for a
00:55:34time when thank you for listening to my question, Connie. That's very
00:55:37nice of you. You can't go wrong when you
00:55:41ask Connie a question. She's always going to lead you in the right direction.
00:55:45Your mistake. Still not listening. Your mistake, Commissioner, was looking at me to
00:55:49answer that question as opposed to looking to Connie.
Clip 25 - Motion to approve Beryl Investigation Report as an addendum to Agency Report
00:55:52Okay. Anything else? All right. Well, then I
00:55:56will entertain a motion to approve the Beryl investigation report and
00:56:00to include this report as an addendum to our agency report
00:56:04and authorize Staff to make any perfecting or non substantive changes
00:56:08they need. So moved. Second. I have a motion and a second. All those in favor
00:56:11say aye. Aye. Opposed? Motion prevails.
00:56:14Luisa, everybody. Great job. Thank you.
00:56:18So that brings us to the end of the agenda.
00:56:23I believe Commissioner Cobos would like to give us an update.
Clip 25 - Commissioner Cobos announces her departure from the PUC Commission
00:56:27 Thank you, Chair Gleeson. Just a brief update.
00:56:31I have let Governor Abbott know that I will be leaving the PUC at the
00:56:34end of the year. I will have a much broader
00:56:37statement and a whole lot more to say at the last open meeting in December,
00:56:40December 19th. But I do want to say that it
00:56:44has been a tremendous honor and a privilege to serve as PUC
00:56:48Commissioner. I want to thank the Governor for the opportunity
00:56:51of a lifetime and for placing his trust in me to serve on
00:56:55the commission after Winter Storm Uri. I was one of the three
00:56:59that got appointed after the devastating storm. I want to thank my
00:57:02Commissioners. It's been such a pleasure working with
00:57:06y'all. Thank you for your friendship and support. I'll say a lot more later.
00:57:10My staff and everybody else, you know,
00:57:14we've accomplished an extensive list of important milestones at the
00:57:17Commission over the last several years, and I am
00:57:20proud and tremendously grateful to have been part of that amazing work
00:57:24that the commission has done for our state.
00:57:28Thank you, Commissioner Cobos. And, yeah, we'll save the
00:57:32longer speeches for a later date. But, you know,
00:57:36like I told Peter and Will when they were leaving,
00:57:40thank you for being willing to say yes. These were
00:57:43not jobs that people were falling all over themselves to come take right after
00:57:47Winter Storm Uri. It took a special kind of person and
00:57:50a heart of a public servant to want to come and do this, you know,
00:57:54right after the storm. And, you know, as Executive Director back
00:57:57then, I appreciate your willingness to do that. I appreciate our
00:58:01working relationship, the friendship that we've developed
00:58:04over that time as well. And you will be missed up here.
00:58:08Here. Thank you.
Clip 29 - Chairman Gleeson adjourns meeting
00:58:11All right. Well, with there being no further business in front of us,
00:58:15this meeting of the Public Utility Commission of Texas is hereby adjourned.

Commissioner Memos

Control	Item	Filing Date	Party	Description	Action
55845	43	November 20, 2024	PUC OPDM	COMMISSIONER HJALTMAN MEMORANDUM
56962	16	November 20, 2024	PUC OPDM	COMMISSIONER HJALTMAN MEMORANDUM