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- 00:00:35Good morning. This is Suzy Clifton with ERCOT. Could someone confirm
- 00:00:39you can hear me okay? Yes,
- 00:00:43we can. Good morning, Suzy. Good morning.
- 00:00:46Thanks. I appreciate you all responding. Real quickly.
- 00:00:50Before we get started with today's meeting, I just want to go over the
- 00:00:53meeting reminders. We are using the chat function
- 00:00:56to queue for motions or discussions. And please wait
- 00:01:00for the chair to recognize you before you begin speaking.
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- Item 0 - Validation for ROS Standing Representatives - Suzy Clifton00:01:17as we begin the balloting process. Please remember to
- 00:01:21unmute yourself as a voting seated representative
- 00:01:24at ROS. And then after you have cast your vote,
- 00:01:27please return to meet status.
- 00:01:31And with that, Katie, we do have a quorum, and we're ready to get started
- 00:01:34this morning. Well, thanks, Suzy. Good morning,
- Item 1 - Antitrust Admonition - Katie Rich00:01:38everyone. Thanks for joining us via Webex today.
- 00:01:43I will let Suzy go ahead and pull
- 00:01:47up the antitrust.
- 00:01:52All right, so we've
- 00:01:56all seen this one many, many times, so I'll give you a second to take
- 00:01:59a look.
- 00:02:07Okay. Then from there, we can go back to the agenda.
- 00:02:12Want to go over a newly seated rep?
- 00:02:15And we've got several alt reps today.
- 00:02:18So Matthew spelik
- 00:02:22with AEP now joins us. And then on
- 00:02:26the alt rep side, Chase Smith has given
- 00:02:29his alt rep to Kristen Cook. Resme has given
- 00:02:33her alt rep to Shane Thomas.
- 00:02:37Chris Garrity has the alt rep of rob bevel.
- 00:02:41And then Iman, with awesome energy, has given her alt rep.
- 00:02:45Mike Diller. Did I get everyone, Suzy?
- 00:02:52Yes, Katie, you did. Okay, perfect.
- Item 2 - Agenda Review - Katie Rich00:02:55All right, and then let's walk through the agenda today.
- 00:02:59So, as usual, we have our ROS meeting minutes from last
- 00:03:03month. I'll give you a quick tac update. And then we've got a
- 00:03:07handful of ERCOT reports.
- 00:03:10Then we'll start getting into the NOGRRs
- 00:03:15and NPRRs that are needing referral
- 00:03:19to one of the working groups and then the ones that came over from prs.
- 00:03:24And then we will probably
- 00:03:27try to pair up. Just so you know, if it seemed like
- 00:03:30I was jumping around, probably try to pair up the
- 00:03:34NOGRRs and the PGRRs with their. Their NPRRs just to figure
- 00:03:38out where those will be going. And then
- 00:03:41we've got our tabled items, and then we get into our working
- 00:03:45groups. We'll have the combo ballot,
- 00:03:49and then finish up with our working groups.
- 00:03:53And then if there's anything other under other business, I might touch
- 00:03:57on the meeting schedule briefly. And then we'll see
- 00:04:00if there's anything else for the good of the group.
- 00:04:04Sound good to everyone?
- Item 3 - Meeting Minutes - Katie Rich00:04:08All right, so we
- 00:04:12do have our meeting minutes from June 6 if we
- 00:04:16want to pull those up.
- Item 3.1 - June 6, 2024 - Katie Rich00:04:23All right. Is there anyone who needs to abstain
- 00:04:28on these? If not, these are usually right for the combo ballot.
- 00:04:37Okay, well, let's go ahead and put it on there.
- 00:04:40Awesome. Thank you so much.
- Item 4 - TAC Update - Katie Rich00:04:50Okay. And with that, I'll give you a brief tac update.
- 00:04:53So they did approve our PGRR106 that we
- 00:04:57took to them, and then two discussions
- 00:05:01on ancillary services. Just noting that
- 00:05:05the kickoff discussion of the 2025
- 00:05:09as methodology will start at PDCWG
- 00:05:13at their first meeting in July.
- 00:05:17So make sure you tune into that, and then it will
- 00:05:20come back to us for the September ROS
- 00:05:24and then the PUC ancillary service study
- 00:05:28update. There's going to be a TAC workshop on
- 00:05:32August 28, so mark your calendars for that. You don't want to
- 00:05:36miss it. And with that, I think that's.
- 00:05:40Those are the highlights as they pertain to ROS.
- Item 5 - ERCOT Reports - Katie Rich00:05:44So with that, I will go ahead and move into the ERCOT
- Item 5.1 - Operations Report - Alex Lee00:05:48reports. As always, we'll start with the operations report.
- 00:05:51Alex, are you ready to update us?
- 00:05:58This is Alex Lee from ERCOT. Can you guys hear me okay?
- 00:06:03Absolutely, go ahead. Okay. Good morning.
- 00:06:07So, for the month of May, the unofficial peak
- 00:06:11load was about 77, a little over
- 00:06:1477 gigawatt on May 26 7th,
- 00:06:19which is almost nine gigawatts more than the
- 00:06:22previous year's peak demand on the state month. In May,
- 00:06:27there were three frequency events. All were related to
- 00:06:31the unit trips. And there was one other incidence
- 00:06:34where ECRs was deployed in the month of May.
- 00:06:39And this was due to installation capacity for
- 00:06:42netload ramp. There was no responsive
- 00:06:46users deployment events and there were nine DC
- 00:06:49PI curtailment, ten h, twelve commitments.
- 00:06:55There was also. At the bottom, there was one watch due
- 00:06:58to reserve capacity shortage with no market solutions.
- 00:07:02And there was one transmission emergency notice due
- 00:07:06to the South Texas import interface. With that, I'll open
- 00:07:10the floor for any questions.
- 00:07:14Thanks, Alex. I will pause here to see if anyone has a question
- 00:07:18for him on this month's report.
- 00:07:23Okay, the queue is clear. Thank you very much.
- Item 5.2 - System Planning Report - Robert Golen00:07:29That will take us to the system planning report, and I believe Robert
- 00:07:33is filling in again this month for us.
- 00:07:37Yes. Good morning. Can someone confirm you can hear me?
- 00:07:40We can go ahead. Excellent. Thank you. Good morning,
- 00:07:43everybody. My name is Robert Golan. I'll be going over the system
- 00:07:47planning monthly status update,
- 00:07:53looking at the proposed review
- 00:07:57of proposed transmission projects. ERCOT is currently
- 00:08:02over $2.8 billion worth of projects.
- 00:08:06ERCOT has endorsed over 1.1 billion
- 00:08:10in projects this year as of May 31.
- 00:08:15Moving on, really just to the other notable
- 00:08:19items. ERCOT continues to work on the Permian
- 00:08:23Basin reliability plan study as directed by House Bill 5066.
- 00:08:29And then also, ERCOT did present an update for the
- 00:08:322024 RTP large load types and generation hubs
- 00:08:37at the May 2024 RPG meeting.
- 00:08:42That's all I really have for the update.
- 00:08:46Pause for questions.
- 00:08:53Thanks, Robert. I'm not seeing anybody in the queue. Oh,
- 00:08:56Prabhu, go ahead.
- 00:09:04Yeah, good morning. Thank you. Can you hear me?
- 00:09:07I can go ahead.
- 00:09:13This. Prabhu. Niram, can you hear me?
- 00:09:18Yes, sir. We can hear you just fine.
- 00:09:28Yeah, Prabhu, we can hear you.
- 00:09:53Hello?
- 00:09:58Yeah, I'm having some audio issues. I can't hear anyone here.
- 00:10:04We can hear you, Prabhu. Oh, okay, perfect. Thank you.
- 00:10:08Yeah, so, there is one other item I
- 00:10:11just wanted to discuss is the. The generation assumptions
- 00:10:15that we presented for the RTP.
- 00:10:19So, I know this was back in April,
- 00:10:23we presented the generation assumptions for the
- 00:10:272024 RTP, where we had to
- 00:10:31move away from this figure 6.9 criteria,
- 00:10:35or the planning guide 6.9 criteria, where we added additional generation
- 00:10:38to meet the projected load. In the case where we had
- 00:10:42significant increase in the load projections in the 2024
- 00:10:45RTP, where we added roughly around 60 gigawatts of additional
- 00:10:49load. Following that, we opened it for
- 00:10:53comments. There were several comments received based
- 00:10:58on that presentation. So I wanted to touch base and give an update
- 00:11:02on those comments and the next steps from ERCOT.
- 00:11:07So, generally, the comments were around this additional
- 00:11:11generation that was added beyond 6.9
- 00:11:15and what's in ERCOT so what
- 00:11:18we defined as additional generation that's needed to balance
- 00:11:22the load flow case to meet the projected load.
- 00:11:26So, some of the comments, the way we defined it, is like we
- 00:11:30added across the cut system, we added generation
- 00:11:33to meet the load roughly around, like, ten gigawatts of load plus.
- 00:11:38So the comments fell under four different categories.
- 00:11:42So, obviously, the term that was referred,
- 00:11:46the generation hub, some of the comments highlighted that that
- 00:11:50might be confusing or mistaken with some of the settlement
- 00:11:54hubs or market terms. And there were
- 00:11:58a three other comments related to how
- 00:12:03we model this generator. Especially,
- 00:12:07we pick locations based on where we think the load is showing
- 00:12:11up on the case, and we added generation.
- 00:12:15And there were comments along
- 00:12:18the lines of whether this generator represents
- 00:12:24any intention from ERCOT to develop generation in
- 00:12:27this location or you know, is ERCOT creating new
- 00:12:31market incentives or new incentives to create this
- 00:12:34generation build? And the last comment was
- 00:12:38long lines of like, you know, maybe we should look at, you know, spreading this
- 00:12:42generation across the system. So those were the set
- 00:12:46of comments received for that particular generation,
- 00:12:51additions or assumptions in the RTP. So just,
- 00:12:56we try to address this in several RTP. We try
- 00:13:00to clarify some of the things. Our intent for adding this generation
- 00:13:04is to make sure we have RTP
- 00:13:08case. Strictly from a powerful perspective, we are able to solve
- 00:13:12the case. This is pretty important
- 00:13:15to have a case start case to move along for the RTP.
- 00:13:20I think our intention is at this point,
- 00:13:25as I said, this is beyond what's in the planning guide.
- 00:13:28So we are planning to submit
- 00:13:32a revision request to capture some of this assumptions
- 00:13:35or future generation assumptions and how we would model
- 00:13:39in the future cases or future RTP so that we
- 00:13:42intend to file something sometime before the end of the year.
- 00:13:45So there will be an opportunity for the stakeholders to, you know,
- 00:13:50discuss or bring these comments and, you know, as part
- 00:13:53of that revision request. And also
- 00:13:57looking at the 2024 RTP, as I said, this is,
- 00:14:01this is purely driven by the need because we, we have
- 00:14:05to match the generation and load. So these assumptions,
- 00:14:09I know we are, you know, we don't have consensus from everybody, but we
- 00:14:13have to make a certain set of assumptions to move forward with the study.
- 00:14:16So in that context, you know, we have
- 00:14:20very limited time, or we had very limited time to incorporate
- 00:14:24all these comments. One thing ERCOT is planning to do
- 00:14:27is to address these comments. We will add language
- 00:14:31in the 2024 RTP to clarify
- 00:14:34or address some of the four themes raised here.
- 00:14:38So I guess if, you know,
- 00:14:43if there is a need to clarify this before this end
- 00:14:47of the year report, we can certainly come
- 00:14:52up with some clarifying language and
- 00:14:56present it at future RPG or other stakeholder
- 00:15:00meetings. So with that, I'm going to stop
- 00:15:04and see if there are any comments or questions. Thank you.
- 00:15:09Well, probably I'll speak for,
- 00:15:13you know, my company and I guess broadly as well, but we appreciate
- 00:15:17the fact that you took those comments and,
- 00:15:20you know, kind of appreciate the position that you find yourself
- 00:15:24in. And so I personally
- 00:15:28would love to see the clarifying language that
- 00:15:32you plan to put in there. And I think this
- 00:15:36report and this time slot might be a good time to
- 00:15:39update everyone in case that everyone's not plugged into
- 00:15:43RPG. But I will pause and see if there
- 00:15:47are any different comments on this topic.
- 00:16:02Sandy's asking if there was a timeline for the PGRR.
- 00:16:07I heard you say towards the end of the year, Prabhu, but is
- 00:16:10there more to it than that?
- 00:16:13Yeah, we are working on this. This is still
- 00:16:16in the early stages of what we need to define in the
- 00:16:20PGRR internal discussion. So our intention is
- 00:16:23sometime before the end of the year, we wanted to get this thing
- 00:16:27moving and hopefully have it approved for the next RTP.
- 00:16:31That will be ideal.
- 00:16:35Thanks, Prabhu.
- 00:16:45All right, it looks like, looks like the queue is clear.
- 00:16:48So Prabhu and Robert, thank you both for bringing
- 00:16:52the update to us this month. We appreciate it.
- 00:16:55Thank you.
- Item 5.3 - GTC Update - Yunzhi Cheng00:16:58Okay, so that will take us to the GTC update.
- 00:17:02I did not see anything posted, so I'm assuming this is
- 00:17:05just a verbal update for ROS.
- 00:17:12Hi, good morning. Can you hear me okay,
- 00:17:17we can. Oh, looks like you got something posted. Okay, I must have missed that.
- 00:17:21Go ahead. Thank you. Good morning everyone.
- 00:17:25This is indeecheon from ERCOT operations. I'd like to provide
- 00:17:29some GTC update. Next page please.
- 00:17:34Yeah, we have a few GTC updates. The first one is Hamney organ
- 00:17:38GTC update. We updated Hamilton
- 00:17:42to consider the impact of the local generation model update.
- 00:17:47Overall, the lab update. The limit change is very minor.
- 00:17:51The interface remains the same.
- 00:17:55Next slide please.
- 00:18:00The second one is the Wiley aerial GTC update. We have
- 00:18:03update Wiley Export GTC, Los Annenberg to
- 00:18:07Larva GTC and Nelson shopper to real Honda GTC
- 00:18:11name is to consider the impact of the second
- 00:18:14circuit from San Miguel to Fallouton
- 00:18:17Marlboro, Saniso del Sol, Pamido and Mouse Annenberg.
- 00:18:23Also we consider the recent QSA units as
- 00:18:27well. Overall, the limit has increased
- 00:18:31a little bit and the interface remains the same.
- 00:18:36Next page please. The last one is the
- 00:18:40McKamey GTC update. As we update the GTC
- 00:18:43limit to consider the impact of the second circuit from
- 00:18:48Silo Kelly to noid to single tree to slip,
- 00:18:52metro to Big Hill, and also some recent QAC
- 00:18:55units. And similarly the
- 00:18:58limit have increased a little bit and TTC interface
- 00:19:02remain the same. That's a
- 00:19:06quick update for the recent GTCs. We'll be happy
- 00:19:10to answer if there are any questions.
- 00:19:15Thank you. YMC, Mark Price,
- 00:19:19go ahead. This is Mark Price from DC Energy.
- 00:19:23Can you hear me? Yes,
- 00:19:27my question is, and it's not on your presentation, but hopefully
- 00:19:31you could provide an update on the implementation of
- 00:19:35SCP. There was a market notice
- 00:19:38that went out on June 28 that this would be
- 00:19:42implemented on all gtcs starting on July 1.
- 00:19:46We were wondering if that has indeed gone into implementation
- 00:19:51for all gtcs and if it's still in
- 00:19:54the testing phases, or if it's actually fully
- 00:19:57live at this point in time, particularly around the limits that
- 00:20:01are being used for gtcs.
- 00:20:07Look like third year.
- 00:20:10Yes, this is Fred Garcia, ERCOT.
- 00:20:13Yes, you're correct. That market notice did go out
- 00:20:17for full implementation of SCR
- 00:20:21819 for July 1.
- 00:20:23So, from ERCOT's perspective,
- 00:20:28we've concluded all our testing and all
- 00:20:32the changes as part of SCR 819 are
- 00:20:36fully productionalized in the ERCOT EMS.
- 00:20:42So they are. It is being used for all gtcs.
- 00:20:47Thank you. Welcome.
- 00:20:52Thank you.
- 00:20:57Okay, I see our queue is clear.
- 00:21:02Anyone else, before we move on to the next report?
- 00:21:08Okay, thank you very much.
- Item 5.4 - Outage Coordination - Chris Azeredo00:21:15All right, so that takes us to the outage coordination for pun
- 00:21:19resource planned outages.
- 00:21:23Chris or Fred, I will let you tee this one up.
- 00:21:29This is Chris Azeredo. Can everybody hear me?
- 00:21:34Good morning. We can. Excellent.
- 00:21:38Chris Azeredo, outage coordination from ERCOT.
- 00:21:43So, a short presentation on a difficulty we're running into in outage
- 00:21:47coordination in regards to punsitive key takeaways,
- 00:21:52the pun registration. It's used to determine the eligibility for
- 00:21:56net metering under NPRR945.
- 00:22:00We've had an increase in the number of registered puns, which is causing
- 00:22:04a few issues with in regards to outage coordination.
- 00:22:08And we're just going to go over a proposed solution to address
- 00:22:11the issues. Next slide,
- 00:22:14please.
- 00:22:17These are just the definitions protocol definitions for pond,
- 00:22:22and we have the PUC industrial
- 00:22:27generation facility definition
- 00:22:31and per ERCOT protocols. Industrial generation
- 00:22:34facilities, IGF resource
- 00:22:37plant outage requests. They are not subject to the MDR POC
- 00:22:42methodology.
- 00:22:46Next slide, please.
- 00:22:51So, historically, we've used the pun registration to
- 00:22:55determine the eligibility for
- 00:22:59protocol three one six as a proxy for
- 00:23:02the IGF status. With the increased
- 00:23:06amount of registered puns, it's created a few challenges with
- 00:23:10outage coordination, because it's reducing the number
- 00:23:13of generation resources subject to MDR POC.
- 00:23:18With the number of puns expected to continue growing outage coordination,
- 00:23:21we need a better way to recognize non industrial
- 00:23:25generation facility puns. So, before NPRR945,
- 00:23:30pun was approximately equal to IGF definition,
- 00:23:35and after NPRR945 pun
- 00:23:39designation to not always equal an industrial generation facility.
- 00:23:44Next slide, please.
- 00:23:47So, the mitigation option we
- 00:23:51will be. We plan on adding a new enumeration type called
- 00:23:55netted network in the ERCOT model applications.
- 00:23:59This should have no impact to resource entities, no impact
- 00:24:02of the current registration process, and minimal impact to the
- 00:24:06ERCOT systems. So anything
- 00:24:10that was previously an industrial
- 00:24:14generation facility will remain as a pun.
- 00:24:17And if it was not an industrial generation facility,
- 00:24:22internally we will be referring to it as a netted network.
- 00:24:28Next slide, our next steps.
- 00:24:31We plan to start co testing and provide
- 00:24:35information plan in Q 420 24.
- 00:24:39We plan to issue an RFI to existing puns to
- 00:24:43identify industrial generation facilities.
- 00:24:46And we will also plan to develop a process for
- 00:24:50new puns that wish to claim an exemption from MDR POC
- 00:24:55and be an industrial generation facility.
- 00:24:59And we plan on issuing a market notice before this implementation.
- 00:25:03And we can provide updates to RoS later if
- 00:25:07needed. And that
- 00:25:11is all. Thanks Chris.
- 00:25:14So a couple questions for you. So what's the timeline
- 00:25:18for sending out the rfis?
- 00:25:22So what's the timeline for sending it out? And then what's your response
- 00:25:25timeline?
- 00:25:34Fred, if you want to take that.
- 00:25:40Yeah. Good morning, this is Fred from ERCOT. Just want to check, can you
- 00:25:44hear me? Yes.
- 00:25:47Okay, so I think we are still working on
- 00:25:51the, the IFI details,
- 00:25:54but I think tentatively our plan is
- 00:25:58probably later summer or like early fall,
- 00:26:02like later Q3, early Q4. And the
- 00:26:06response time? I think the
- 00:26:10target is the current register pound.
- 00:26:13So looking for the feedback,
- 00:26:17we have not decided response time, but typically what the typical
- 00:26:20IFI response time we will likely follow other
- 00:26:25process.
- 00:26:34Okay, so sometime
- 00:26:38within the, sometime maybe the September, October timeframe,
- 00:26:42you could provide an update to ROS.
- 00:26:46I know, I mean I don't, I guess I'm not going to claim to know
- 00:26:50the magnitude of the problem, but the RPOC
- 00:26:54has been an issue, as you guys have heard in other forums.
- 00:26:58So anything that helps alleviate the constraints
- 00:27:02there would be very helpful.
- 00:27:05Okay. I think the
- 00:27:08way we try to address this one is try to
- 00:27:12identify this option as kind of Chris highlighted.
- 00:27:19It will not have impact to existing process
- 00:27:23from the stakeholders perspective,
- 00:27:27including existing and also the local
- 00:27:30945. So really from
- 00:27:35outside perspective, there's no changes at
- 00:27:38all. And this solution here is try to mainly help
- 00:27:43us internally to better recognize it and
- 00:27:47put the proper capacity of generation into right
- 00:27:51category when we determine the MDR POC
- 00:27:55and when we review approved outage request. So that's kind
- 00:27:58of the options we internally have
- 00:28:03our SME help to develop and identify. So here today we just
- 00:28:06try to really try to share
- 00:28:10with the group and looking for the feedback.
- 00:28:15Overall, we see this as a very positive way to mitigate
- 00:28:19our issues and without affecting any our existing process and
- 00:28:23definitely focus on no impact to the stakeholders on your side.
- 00:28:27Thank you. And we can come back either August
- 00:28:31or September once we have more information. We'll be
- 00:28:35happy to come here to provide update.
- 00:28:44That sounds good to me. Fred, I appreciate the thought that you put into
- 00:28:48this and how you could come up with a solution that doesn't
- 00:28:51have a big impact to everyone.
- 00:28:56I'll pause another second and see if anybody pops in the queue, but I do
- 00:29:00appreciate that timeline and reporting back to us.
- 00:29:04Thank you both for putting this together. Thank you for
- 00:29:08the feedback. Thanks.
- 00:29:20Okay. With that, we're going to move down.
- 00:29:24We. Okay, so. All right. So I am
- 00:29:29hoping we can kind of take six,
- 00:29:326.5 together.
- 00:29:35(item:8.3:NOGRR265, Related to NPRR1238, Voluntary Registration of Loads with Curtailable Load Capabilities)There are a couple of things going on.
- 00:29:39When golden spread filed NOGRR 265,
- 00:29:44they did request urgent status,
- 00:29:47but we did have a discussion about this at LFLTF
- 00:29:52on Monday, and so
- 00:29:56the request for urgency may
- 00:30:00no longer apply. Now, I don't, I want to let you
- 00:30:04know, GSAC and ERCOT speak to that,
- 00:30:07but let's let them speak to that
- 00:30:11because we would have to take a vote on urgency before we
- 00:30:14got to the language if they do still want to move forward with
- 00:30:18that path. So let me pause and see if we've got a
- 00:30:21representative from, from golden spread to speak up on
- 00:30:25on that first threshold issue.
- 00:30:29Yeah, Katie, this is Chris Conan, golden spread electric co op.
- 00:30:32Thanks for the introduction. I don't think the urgency
- 00:30:36status is needed per se. It was recommended by ERCOT
- 00:30:40by one, I guess, one department and then the other now has now come out
- 00:30:44and requested it be tabled to file
- 00:30:47additional comments. And I think we're waiting on encore to do the same.
- 00:30:51So we're fine with that. I guess my main question is,
- 00:30:55can we go ahead if we do table it today, if we could
- 00:30:59refer that to OWG so they can start taking a look at it as well,
- 00:31:02because we'd like to get this moving forward as quickly as possible.
- 00:31:06It's a concern that we've seen since the onset of LFLTF
- 00:31:10two years ago, and it's only getting worse as we
- 00:31:13add more load.
- 00:31:20Yeah, Chris, I appreciate that update and
- 00:31:23hear where you're coming from. So what I
- 00:31:27was going to propose is that I
- 00:31:31do know that ERCOT's working on comments. They did
- 00:31:35talk to AG offline in preparing for this to make sure
- 00:31:38that ERCOT would be okay with go ahead and referring us over to
- 00:31:43OWG. It sounds like they're okay with that.
- 00:31:47I know that Martha talked about filing comments on
- 00:31:50behalf of encore at LTF on Monday,
- 00:31:54but I think if we can table and refer this over to
- 00:31:57OWG, they could get started on some
- 00:32:01of the other sort of fundamental pieces of this specifically,
- 00:32:06I would like OWG to look at the appropriate
- 00:32:11trigger for deployment. I think what's in here right now is
- 00:32:143100 MW PRC, but I'd like
- 00:32:18OWG to at least take a look and see if that's appropriate
- 00:32:22or if something, you know, closer to EEA might
- 00:32:26make more sense. So, I mean, I'll open
- 00:32:30it up for. For discussion, but I agree
- 00:32:33with you, Chris, I'd like to go ahead and see this go over to
- 00:32:37OWG as well as your
- 00:32:41NPRR that hasn't been formally referred, but is on
- 00:32:44the agenda.
- 00:32:51And then, Brett, you've got a comment in the queue.
- 00:32:55Okay, for the NOGRR, what is the penalty structure for
- 00:32:58non performance by a queasy? If the queasy has a curtailed load
- 00:33:02that doesn't follow the proper protocol.
- 00:33:04So, Chris, I'll let you see if you want
- 00:33:08to take that question.
- 00:33:12I guess I'm not seeing the question in the chat. Or where
- 00:33:15is that at?
- 00:33:19Oh, Brett, I think you sent that to me privately,
- 00:33:22but that is the question.
- 00:33:25What is the penalty structure for non performance by a queasy?
- 00:33:28If the cuisi has a curtailable load that doesn't follow the proper protocol,
- 00:33:34I have to defer to ERCOT for that. That's probably a tre question.
- 00:33:54Okay, thank you.
- 00:34:04Okay, since I'm not hearing anything,
- 00:34:07what I would propose is that,
- 00:34:10you know, there's normally someone from the tre on the OWG
- 00:34:15meetings. So, Brett,
- 00:34:18if you don't mind maybe teeing that up once we
- 00:34:22get it over to OWG. OWG has their next meeting
- 00:34:26on July 19, so that is next week.
- 00:34:31And then I'm looking in the queue. I'm seeing
- 00:34:35some agreement with me ether. Did you want to
- 00:34:38expand on that? No, I just agree
- 00:34:41with your proposal to table and refer to OWG.
- 00:34:56Perfect. Okay, anyone opposed
- 00:34:59to taking the NPRR and the NOGRR together?
- 00:35:04Well, we could table and refer those over to OWG.
- 00:35:08And if there's no opposition, we could add those to the combo ballot.
- 00:35:25Perfect. All right,
- 00:35:33so it looks like we are good with that,
- 00:35:37Chris. Hopefully that gets you what you needed. It's least moving
- 00:35:40over and can start being looked at by the folks at OWG.
- 00:35:45Yes. Thank you, Katie.
- Item 7 - PRS Referrals - Katie Rich00:35:53All right, so moving right along, that takes us down to item
- 00:35:58number seven. So we've got some new referrals
- Item 7.1 - NPRR1229 - Katie Rich00:36:03from PRS. The first one is
- 00:36:071229. This one was sponsored by Stack and
- 00:36:12it was referred over to ROS and WMS.
- 00:36:16So we did have some discussion about this yesterday at WMS
- 00:36:20and Lucas, I will
- 00:36:23let you lay this out if you want to,
- 00:36:26and then maybe talk a little bit about PRS,
- 00:36:30kind of what I heard someone saying
- 00:36:33they wanted ROS to look at, but definitely looking for some
- 00:36:37feedback from ROS on, you know, where it would be appropriate
- 00:36:41to have this reviewed.
- 00:36:45Hello, Katie.
- 00:36:49So, NPRR1229,
- 00:36:54it's settlement related NPRR here that
- 00:36:57we filed. It basically creates
- 00:37:01a make hole whenever ERCOT
- 00:37:05must implement constraint management
- 00:37:09plan or issue of EDI in
- 00:37:13order for reliability. And in doing so,
- 00:37:20a resource is then subsequently tripped
- 00:37:24offline and wouldn't have but for
- 00:37:28the action that ERCOT took or had
- 00:37:32to take. And this came about
- 00:37:36last summer. Whenever ERCOT had to
- 00:37:42issue operating instruction to manage
- 00:37:45the. The flow from the coast
- 00:37:49to the interior, they had to issue
- 00:37:53an operating instruction that had put our resource
- 00:37:58in the n minus one. Where should
- 00:38:02the line have tripped operated, our resource would have
- 00:38:06tripped offline. And so we
- 00:38:10don't think it is appropriate for a
- 00:38:13resource to wear that risk without
- 00:38:17some compensation. So that's what the NPRR
- 00:38:22is seeking, is just, if that does occur,
- 00:38:26then there would be a make hole
- 00:38:30provided to the resource.
- 00:38:35I know a lot of the questions that have
- 00:38:38come up, at least on ERCOT side, or are related to
- 00:38:42settlements and some policy decisions
- 00:38:47on some of the costs that are included here
- 00:38:51in the NPRR.
- 00:38:55And so I know that was some of the feedback that ERCOT provided
- 00:38:59yesterday at WMS and in comments to
- 00:39:03the NPRR and at PRS as well.
- 00:39:09You know, it's important to stick because we saw it last summer and we
- 00:39:13think it. It's going to happen again or, you know,
- 00:39:17any. You know, especially in August, we'd expect ERCOT
- 00:39:21to have to do the same thing. So we, you know,
- 00:39:25we asked for urgency. Of course, it was a bit. Bit much
- 00:39:29to take on for, to get it through that
- 00:39:32way. So prs took a second 2nd
- 00:39:36look and then decided to punch over to WMS
- 00:39:40and Rosin. Not sure. I don't
- 00:39:43exactly remember. Katie,
- 00:39:47we briefly touched on that.
- 00:39:50I believe Kevin Hanson might have requested
- 00:39:54an ROS look. Not. I don't recall exactly
- 00:39:57why, but. Or the proper place,
- 00:40:02being that this is mostly settlement related,
- 00:40:04but take
- 00:40:10questions or however you want to go from here. Katie. Not sure if that was
- 00:40:14good or if I needed further explanation or. No,
- 00:40:17no, good job. And I think you're right
- 00:40:20with that list of policy issues that, you know,
- 00:40:24committed to putting together. I really think that was in advance of
- 00:40:28WMWG. I mean, on this side, you know, there are.
- 00:40:32Are sort of key words here, like CMP and BDI.
- 00:40:37And those sorts of things that would, you know, maybe trigger a look
- 00:40:40by OWG. But, you know,
- 00:40:44I'm looking for the group to see if that's,
- 00:40:47you know, appropriate here, if there's an appetite
- 00:40:51to have OWG or maybe one of the other working groups
- 00:40:55to look at it.
- 00:41:07And if I don't see that, then we can always
- 00:41:11leave it tabled here at ROS and let
- 00:41:15WMS kind of do its piece on their side.
- 00:41:18And then if there is anything that results that might have
- 00:41:21a Ros impact, we could take it up then.
- 00:41:31Do you have a preference? Lucas?
- 00:41:39We're not. I mean, we're not changing any. Anything ERCOT can do
- 00:41:44for reliability or, you know,
- 00:41:48needing to manage the grid with CM, you know, constraint management plans or
- 00:41:52I. Or operating instructions or anything like that. So I don't
- 00:41:57know if it needs to go anywhere.
- 00:42:00I would say we can just leave it at Ros,
- 00:42:04if that's okay.
- 00:42:10Yeah, I'll pause and let Eno weigh in and then
- 00:42:13we can pick back up. Go ahead, Eno.
- 00:42:30You know, do we. Do we have you? I can't hear you yet.
- 00:42:33I was doubling. Excuse me. What I was
- 00:42:37saying is that, as I said yesterday, ERCOT is putting
- 00:42:40together right now a list of policy questions
- 00:42:45that stakeholders should answer, should address,
- 00:42:49and they may include operational issues.
- 00:42:53It might be premature at this point to state
- 00:42:57what those operational issues are. Again, it might be
- 00:43:01best to maybe keep this NPRR table
- 00:43:05at Ros until we have the opportunity to develop
- 00:43:08those questions and issues and then discuss them at
- 00:43:12WMWG and maybe come back to this group, unless someone
- 00:43:16from operations has. Wants to chime in. But at
- 00:43:20this point, it might just be best to wait.
- 00:43:26Yeah, I would confer with that as well.
- 00:43:30You know, I hear Lucas saying the same thing.
- 00:43:35I'm sorry. No, go ahead. So, Katie,
- 00:43:38I also want to say that this is really not a settlement issue.
- 00:43:42When we say settlement, do we really mean how to take
- 00:43:46money from lows and give it to generations?
- 00:43:49This is more of a. In my view, in my mind,
- 00:43:53it's more of a operational policy decisions as
- 00:43:57well as cost related issues.
- 00:44:00So it's not just. I mean, WMS yesterday stated they
- 00:44:05want to send this to the settlement groups, but I'm not sure that's
- 00:44:08the right move. As I stated yesterday, this is really about
- 00:44:12policy on how to recover
- 00:44:15costs, what costs can be recovered,
- 00:44:18and whether or not the CMP,
- 00:44:23or basically for
- 00:44:27a QSC to submit a. A dispute related to
- 00:44:31CMP. Is that appropriate or not? Anyways, I think we're
- 00:44:34going to. We're going to come up with a list of issues,
- 00:44:37discuss them at WWG, and then maybe ROS
- 00:44:41can. Can provide their opinion.
- 00:44:49I like that plan. You know,
- 00:44:53I'd like to see how they get fleshed out. And I
- 00:44:57think many of those policy issues are appropriate for WMWG,
- 00:45:02just as you described. So unless
- 00:45:06there's any opposition, I would add this
- 00:45:09to the combo ballot to table here at ROS.
- 00:45:37Thanks, Erin. I think that looks good to me.
- 00:45:42Thank you, Lucas. Yeah,
- 00:45:45thank you.
- Item 6.2 - NPRR1234 - Katie Rich00:45:55Okay, so that takes us to 1234,
- 00:45:58and then we also have PGRR
- 00:46:02115 that is tied to this.
- 00:46:07You know, some level of discussion of these has been done at
- 00:46:11lFLTF. These. These are the replacements to
- 00:46:14the prior revision requests related to
- 00:46:19large loads. And so ERCOT has sent me
- 00:46:22their preferences for where to
- 00:46:26refer these both. But I certainly
- 00:46:29want to pause and see if someone from ERCOT wants to
- 00:46:33lay these out at a high level.
- 00:46:49Hey, Bill, this is a g. Did you want to speak or did you want
- 00:46:53me to speak to this?
- 00:46:57Yeah, sorry. I guess I had the double mute thing going,
- 00:47:01but, yeah, I was planning on just giving
- 00:47:05the high level overview on it real quick.
- 00:47:09Make sure you guys hear me. Okay.
- 00:47:14We can go ahead, Bill. All right. All right.
- 00:47:17So, yes, this is the replacement NPRR.
- 00:47:21I think we had discussed it.
- 00:47:25Maybe David called in at last, ROS, and talked about it a little
- 00:47:28bit. But basically,
- 00:47:32we had originally put out an NPRR1191,
- 00:47:35and I think another planning guide
- 00:47:39revision, I think it might have been PGRR111 and a
- 00:47:43operating guide revision. We took the comments
- 00:47:46from those, and we basically
- 00:47:50withdrew those older protocol
- 00:47:53revisions and replaced them with these two
- Item 7.2 - NPRR1234, Interconnection Requirements for Large Loads and Modeling Standards for Loads 25 MW or Greater00:47:57new revisions. 1234 is the NPRR,
- 00:48:01and the planning guide revision is 115. So they're intended
- 00:48:05to kind of go in together. So I'm glad that they're
- 00:48:09over here at the Rosnow. The protocol
- 00:48:12revision inserted some new
- 00:48:17requirements based on comments that deal with modeling
- 00:48:21in the operations model. And so we think that
- 00:48:25probably the NPRR should get remanded over to
- 00:48:28the network to data support working group so
- 00:48:32they can talk about the modeling pieces that got put into
- 00:48:35the new NPRR and then the planning
- 00:48:39guide revision. We have been talking a lot at the task force
- 00:48:43and with a lot of the tsps before we
- 00:48:47propose this, so I think they're aware of it.
- 00:48:50But there hasn't been an official discussion in the
- 00:48:54planning working group, so we think the PGRR should probably get remanded over
- 00:48:57to the planning working group. So more folks that are
- 00:49:00dealing with interconnections of loads in that
- 00:49:04area and have some discussion.
- 00:49:08But overall, we have removed a couple of things that were
- 00:49:11in the original concepts.
- 00:49:15The original concept had the registered curtailable
- 00:49:19load, which was similar to what golden
- 00:49:23spread proposed in their
- 00:49:27language. I think that's NPRR1238 and
- 00:49:31that's the one that you guys just got done talking about that's going to get
- 00:49:35remanded over to the OWG.
- 00:49:40I will mention that we kind of think that the
- 00:49:44NPRR that we have 1234 might
- 00:49:47be required before you can kind of
- 00:49:50work on the golden spread.
- 00:49:53So I don't think the golden spread one could possibly go
- 00:49:57faster than these NPRRs.
- 00:50:01They might be depending on some of the work that's in this one.
- 00:50:04So it's good that they're all over here at ROS at this
- 00:50:08point, but those are
- 00:50:13some differences there. We did also take out some
- 00:50:16of the ride through requirements and
- 00:50:20we also did remove
- 00:50:26a few other items.
- 00:50:30So generally this is just about interconnection
- 00:50:34and about how to get those
- 00:50:37large loads modeled and connected.
- 00:50:42And we've removed some of the other items that
- 00:50:45were in it that were controversial.
- 00:50:50So I'm going to stop there for just a second, see if there's
- 00:50:54any comments.
- 00:50:57Before we get to Floyd, just wanted to
- 00:51:01make sure I understand the NPRR you are proposing
- 00:51:05to send to NDSWG. Is that correct?
- 00:51:11Sorry, somebody was Im in me here. So say that again for
- 00:51:15the NPRR. You wanted that to be looked at by NDSWG?
- 00:51:21Yeah, I mean theres some language in there that probably
- 00:51:24touches on the work that that they do. And so we just want
- 00:51:27to make sure that we have a chance to discuss with those folks. Both Ag
- 00:51:32and myself have plans to probably attend the next BLWG and
- 00:51:36NDSWG if this gets remanded over there so that we
- 00:51:39can have those discussions with those folks. But that's
- 00:51:43kind of our thinking is that the NPRR should
- 00:51:47probably go over to NDSWG group and that
- 00:51:51the planning guide revision should be
- 00:51:55ELWG. And hopefully we could get
- 00:51:58that set of discussions coming back pretty quickly because
- 00:52:01I think we've removed most of the things that were going
- 00:52:06to take system changes and might be more problematic.
- 00:52:11So hopefully we can get this moving pretty quickly and maybe
- 00:52:14that means that the golden spread can move along fairly quickly as
- 00:52:18well.
- 00:52:21Yeah, I think it would be good if we saw movement on
- 00:52:24all four of these and certainly fine
- 00:52:28with your referral. Floyd, I know you filed comments
- 00:52:32and I feel like maybe those can be addressed
- 00:52:35at the working groups coming up, but did you have another comment?
- 00:52:42My comments were on the NPRR1234
- 00:52:48are, you know, the, they're asking
- 00:52:51the ToS to provide information
- 00:52:55about what a load is doing, and we just
- 00:52:59want to make sure that that information that's being provided
- 00:53:03is considered highly confidential and
- 00:53:07protected information or actually critical infrastructure.
- 00:53:11So we made changes to the NPRR to accomplish
- 00:53:15that. I think the NPRR1234 is a great
- 00:53:19improvement over what we had before,
- 00:53:22and I think most of it is acceptable as
- Item 8.1 - PGRR11500:53:25it is. We also made comments on
- 00:53:29the PGRR115,
- 00:53:32and that one has a lot of problems in it.
- 00:53:36And the problems are, is all
- 00:53:40of the, it uses the definition of large
- 00:53:44load, which would include all
- 00:53:48existing load. Existing large loads, over 75.
- 00:53:54In many cases. The language in the PGRR
- 00:53:58is referring to a large load
- 00:54:02that is a new one, but it's unclear if it
- 00:54:06does. So we tried to make clarifications throughout
- 00:54:10all of the places where it
- 00:54:15should be clear that you're talking about a new load for
- 00:54:19planning purposes.
- 00:54:22Section nine of this protocol of this revision
- 00:54:26request also contains a
- 00:54:30disclaimer that it's only referring
- 00:54:34to new large loads.
- 00:54:38And that's a good thing. So we're
- 00:54:42happy with that. We tried to make it a little bit clearer in
- 00:54:45the language that we suggested. And then
- 00:54:49lastly, there's one other thing that I think is real serious.
- 00:54:52There is a clause in the
- 00:54:56planning guide to add remote control
- 00:55:00on feeder breakers into industrial stations.
- 00:55:04And, you know, we don't put remote control on
- 00:55:07generator breakers. You don't put remote control
- 00:55:11on large industrial loads for safety
- 00:55:16reason, personnel safety and facility safety
- 00:55:20reasons. And so we struck that language.
- 00:55:24So that's kind of the summary of our comments,
- 00:55:28but we feel pretty strongly
- 00:55:31that we need to get those, get these
- 00:55:35resolved.
- 00:55:40I think you found some good clarifications. I would ask
- 00:55:45PLWG leadership to, to look at these closely
- 00:55:49when they bring these up at their, their next meeting next
- 00:55:52week. Is that
- 00:55:56something you think I need to participate in?
- 00:56:00Yeah, you might put that on your calendar
- 00:56:04so that you can be prepared to answer some questions,
- 00:56:07but I would hope that they would be ready to tee
- 00:56:11that up. And I appreciate you bringing issues up. Yeah. What,
- 00:56:14what group did you say? I'm sorry, I missed that.
- 00:56:18Oh, PLWG for the PGRR,
- 00:56:22which is what you seem to have the bigger concerns with.
- 00:56:25And then for your clarification language on NPRR
- 00:56:291234, that's going to go to NDSWG.
- 00:56:43Ken Bowen, go ahead.
- 00:56:48Hey, good morning. Yeah. Ken Bowen, CPS energy.
- 00:56:52Hey, I was reading through this. I might have missed it. Is there
- 00:56:56going to be changes to the annual load data
- 00:57:00the ALDR, the annual load data request process
- 00:57:03through all of this. Maybe I missed it in there. Does anyone know that?
- 00:57:09And if there is, what group would that go to?
- 00:57:17I guess this is Bill. We don't have specific language
- 00:57:21that I believe touches on the ALDR. I mean, I think
- 00:57:25these loads may show up in
- 00:57:28that report down the road. I can go out and ask the
- 00:57:32folks that do the ALDR for us to see if there's anything
- 00:57:35specific. But I think at this time,
- 00:57:39there's nothing that we've added in here that,
- 00:57:42you know, is different or special for the large
- 00:57:46loads. We are getting some information in
- 00:57:51the NPRR that we
- 00:57:54want in the model so that we can have some visibility on these
- 00:57:58different loads of. So I think one of the things that Floyd mentioned
- 00:58:02about this being needed to
- 00:58:05be maintained confidential. What we're expecting is that when
- 00:58:08we have a large load, you know, is it a data
- 00:58:12center or is it a hydrogen facility or is it AI
- 00:58:17type, you know, data center, crypto miner, whatever type of load,
- 00:58:21we may have some classification on those loads in the future in
- 00:58:25the model. So that helps us build dashboards and kind of understand if
- 00:58:29loads are all different and they're behaving differently, we might
- 00:58:33be able to understand better what's going on with these large loads.
- 00:58:37We've done a lot of reporting as far as their price responsiveness, and when
- 00:58:42we get into close to emergency conditions, how they behave.
- 00:58:45And so we just want to have that extra information in the model.
- 00:58:50But I don't see that necessarily lining
- 00:58:54up with any changes in the ALDR at this point.
- 00:59:02Okay. I'd kind of like to have SSWG
- 00:59:06review that and see if there would be any changes needed to
- 00:59:09ALDR.
- 00:59:13So it'd be good if we can send this to SSWG potential for
- 00:59:17that purpose.
- 00:59:25So, I mean, I think that the NPRR just
- 00:59:28kind of addresses operational modeling.
- 00:59:34I think your part talking about the SSWG would worry
- 00:59:38more of the planning. So would you mean that we
- 00:59:41would have also have SSWG? Look at the PGRR.
- 00:59:50I guess I'm a little confused by we're only focused on the network model.
- 00:59:54It seems like the planning model would be,
- 00:59:57you know, would be affected by this as well.
- 01:00:01It definitely will be, but there were some
- 01:00:05discussions and feedback that we got due to some of the legislative
- 01:00:09changes, and we altered
- 01:00:13what we originally proposed, which had some rules about how you
- 01:00:16make it into the planning model. You needed to have some signed agreements
- 01:00:20and whatnot. And we kind of, we removed that due
- 01:00:25to some recent legislative changes. So we
- 01:00:29just focused the NPRR purely on what
- 01:00:33it takes. What do you have to have to make it into the operations
- 01:00:36model? So that's kind of the way it's formulated today.
- 01:00:41And we allow the tdsps to use the criteria that
- 01:00:45they would use for any load in the
- 01:00:49planning world and the SSWG world.
- 01:00:52So I think we've had a lot of those large loads start
- 01:00:56to get added into the SSWG cases.
- 01:01:00If you want to talk about that, probably the PGRR is the right
- 01:01:06document to be reviewed.
- 01:01:11Okay. Thanks for the insight, Bill. Then I
- 01:01:14retract my statement to send it to SSWG and
- 01:01:18probably the PLWG discussion would be fine there. Appreciate that.
- 01:01:26Okay, thanks, Ken and Bill. Okay, so let's take this back.
- 01:01:32So we've got a potential add to
- 01:01:35the combo ballot for NPRR1234.
- 01:01:39We can table and refer that over to
- 01:01:43NDSWG. I haven't heard
- 01:01:47anyone being opposed to that being sent there. So we could add that to
- 01:01:51the combo and then
- 01:01:54for PGRR115. Now that
- 01:01:58we just had this conversation, it sounds like we are okay
- 01:02:02to table and refer this just to PLWG and
- 01:02:06we can add that to the combo ballot as well. So I'll let Aaron pull
- 01:02:10that up.
- 01:02:19Okay. Not seeing anyone in the queue. So we will leave those there.
- 01:02:29And then I believe that leaves us one
- 01:02:32more NPRR and
- 01:02:36NOGRR combo.
- Item 7.3 - NPRR1235 - Katie Rich01:02:41So that will take us to NPRR1235,
- 01:02:45which is talking about DRRS and
- 01:02:51wanted to see if someone from ERCOT wanted to lay this out for us.
- 01:02:55This is Nitika. Katie, if it's okay, I can give
- 01:02:59you a quick overview of what this NOGRR and this NPRR
- 01:03:03and NOGRR combo are doing. Yes, thank you.
- 01:03:07So through these NPRRs,
- 01:03:11we are bringing in a
- 01:03:15new type of ancillary service, DRRS dispatchable
- 01:03:19reliability reserve service, into the protocols.
- 01:03:22This is something that the PUC that
- 01:03:26is being developed pursuant to the PURA
- 01:03:31act, which requires ERCOT to develop and implement a
- 01:03:35product like DRRS at a high level. If you
- 01:03:38look at the definitions that we've inserted, this is
- 01:03:42a service that can be provided by resources that can start up
- 01:03:45in 2 hours and sustain their response at
- 01:03:49their high sustained limit for four consecutive hours.
- 01:03:53Now, we had, you may recollect, we've had several workshops
- 01:03:57talking about DRRS and
- 01:04:01how it may work, how it may
- 01:04:05work out. And even we've discussed the NPRR and
- 01:04:08NOGRR, the drafts of these NPRRs and NOGRRs there.
- 01:04:12Originally, we were contemplating
- 01:04:17a wider set of resources being able to provide
- 01:04:20this service. But at least the way NPRR1235
- 01:04:25was written. What we first started by doing is
- 01:04:29working out how the rules would look for when offline generation
- 01:04:33resources provide drrs. So if
- 01:04:37you look at the revision description right here, you will notice
- 01:04:40bullet four onwards, we've got a new resource status that
- 01:04:44will be available in real time and for
- 01:04:48cops to provide so that QSCS can indicate
- 01:04:52when what resources are providing drrs.
- 01:04:56Drrs will be awarded
- 01:05:00and paid for in the day ahead market. It will not be co opted optimized
- 01:05:04in the real time market.
- 01:05:07All of the, actually I should start by saying all of the rules,
- 01:05:10all of the red lines that you're seeing are on top
- 01:05:14of the protocols that would apply under real
- 01:05:18time co optimization with single model. So really
- 01:05:21this would be layered in after those two,
- 01:05:25after those two efforts complete.
- 01:05:29As far as recommendation for
- 01:05:33commitments go, the way the Pura requirements were written,
- 01:05:36it was required for to use drrs
- 01:05:40prior to committing units through RUC. So the way we
- 01:05:44are contemplating of setting up recommendations
- 01:05:49for deploying drrs
- 01:05:53will be within the ruck engine itself. We will set it up such
- 01:05:56that when ruck sees a new need to commit a unit,
- 01:05:59it will prioritize drrs or units that are providing
- 01:06:03drrs over others.
- 01:06:07And then of course, like other ancillary services,
- 01:06:10there are languages that talk about qualification
- 01:06:13and performance requirements. They will look very similar to how
- 01:06:16we qualify and do performance
- 01:06:20monitoring for offline nonspin. So with that, I will pause.
- 01:06:24I'll see if folks have any questions or feedback for us.
- 01:06:33Thanks to Nick. Couple thoughts.
- 01:06:37So I know Sierra club has filed comments talking about
- 01:06:41the inclusion of esrs and I think
- 01:06:45that you guys have responded to that in
- 01:06:48terms of looking at this through a phased approach. So your
- 01:06:52first phase would be offline dispatchable resources
- 01:06:57and then, you know, at a future date looking at whether
- 01:07:02esrs could be incorporated. Do I have
- 01:07:06that right? That is absolutely correct. So at least
- 01:07:10right now you are right. We are looking to do this in a phase manner.
- 01:07:14We did think through all of
- 01:07:17the potential issues
- 01:07:20that would need to be discussed for esrs to provide drrs
- 01:07:26this particular product, and there were quite a few
- 01:07:29things to sort out. So we did propose the
- 01:07:33way we were considering to approach incorporating
- 01:07:38additional resources to provide drrs would certainly
- 01:07:41be through a phased approach, through a separate NPRR so that
- 01:07:45we can work through each of the issues that
- 01:07:49at least we see with the storage, being able to provide the service
- 01:07:53clearly and then formulate an NPRR that addresses
- 01:07:57only those.
- 01:08:02Thank you Nitika. And then as far as
- 01:08:06a referral goes. Since PDCWG
- 01:08:11referred to use looks at all of the, you know,
- 01:08:14ancillary service documents and methodology. I thought
- 01:08:17that they might be the appropriate group to
- 01:08:21refer this to, but wanted to pause Nitika and see if you had someone
- 01:08:25else in mind.
- 01:08:28No, I mean, you are right that the PDC does review ancillary
- 01:08:32services, so should there be things that need to
- 01:08:36be reviewed in these, this NPRR at least they seem
- 01:08:40to be the right place.
- 01:08:57Okay, great. So I'm not seeing anyone in the queue.
- 01:09:00So I would propose to add a table and
- 01:09:04refer to PDCWG to the combo
- 01:09:08ballot.
- Item 8.2 - NOGRR264 - Katie Rich01:09:17All right, Erin, let me be more clear. So we would, we would send both
- 01:09:21NPRR1235 as
- 01:09:26well as its matching NOGRR
- 01:09:30264.
- 01:09:53Thank you very much. Okay,
- 01:09:56still not seeing anyone in the queue so I will assume we're okay with
- 01:09:59that. And I think that we've
- 01:10:03got everything paired together now so
- Item 9 - Revision Requests Tabled at ROS01:10:07that will take us down
- 01:10:11to the items that are currently tabled
- 01:10:14at ROS and
- 01:10:19I am not aware of any reason to
- 01:10:22pull either of these two items, but we'll certainly pause
- 01:10:26to see if there's anyone else that has an opinion on
- 01:10:30these.
- Item 10 - Operations Working Group - Rickey Floyd01:10:37Okay, not seeing any. So that will take us down
- 01:10:41to our working group updates and we
- 01:10:44will start with the operations working group and Tyler,
- 01:10:48you've got a presentation for us.
- 01:10:55Good morning everyone.
- 01:10:59Go ahead and begin the OWG ROs update. We can go
- 01:11:03to the next slide.
- 01:11:07ERCOT reported some unofficial peaks. The May peak
- 01:11:11demand was 77,122 MW on 527
- 01:11:14and hour ending 17. Previous peak for
- 01:11:18May was 68,169 MW,
- 01:11:22solar penetration 19,387 MW
- 01:11:26on 518 1140.
- 01:11:32Go to the next slide. Thanks Texas re
- 01:11:35gation reports NERC alert from June
- 01:11:39Forest was acknowledged by 99% of the participants
- 01:11:43in Texas that was on inverter based resource model quality
- 01:11:47deficiencies. The annual
- 01:11:50report has been posted on the NRC website and NERC
- 01:11:54is requesting participants to join the National Standards
- 01:11:58group.
- 01:12:02(item:10.2:NPRR1221 - Related to NOGRR262, Provisions for Operator-Controlled Manual<br />Load Shed - Rickey Floyd)Next slide did have discussions on NOGRR262
- 01:12:07provisions for operator controlled boat shed.
- 01:12:10Golden spread provided their comments that they had filed on 530.
- 01:12:15We added the phrase by the to or TDSP
- 01:12:19to address the situation where several of the GSDCs
- 01:12:23individual members transmission or distribution service provider TSP cooperatives
- 01:12:29do not have data control for
- 01:12:33their load shed. AP raised some concerns
- 01:12:36again that the should term still
- 01:12:40do not provide enough flexibility to use commercial
- 01:12:43load that is SCADA controlled by the customer.
- 01:12:47OWG made some edits on paragraph seven.
- 01:12:51SCADA controlled load shed is preferred to be utilized by
- 01:12:55the to or TDSP and the OWG reach consensus
- 01:13:00on those edits and formally submit the comments to
- Item 10.1 - NPRR1070 - Rickey Floyd01:13:05endorse OWG. On the comments filed on 627.
- 01:13:14OWG reached consensus on NPRR1221 that was filed on 3/20/24
- 01:13:27for NPRR1070. ERCOT is still working
- 01:13:32with UC staff to finalize the language on the
- 01:13:35congestion cost savings criteria and does not have
- 01:13:38a specific time yet. So that does remain tabled at the OWG.
- 01:13:42There was not an OTWG update and
- 01:13:50the hit us reminder of
- 01:13:58the timeline for public and private submission and
- 01:14:03then there was no other business discussed be
- 01:14:07the end of the OWG update.
- 01:14:11Thanks Tyler. So I want to thank OWG for their work
- 01:14:15on NPRR1221 and NOGRR
- 01:14:19262. I know you guys talked about that for several meetings
- 01:14:24and it's great that you now come to consensus.
- 01:14:27So these two are now ripe for us
- 01:14:31to add to our combo ballot today.
- 01:14:34We'll pause and see if there's any opposition
- 01:14:39to adding both of those.
- 01:14:45Okay Aaron, let's get them added. We've got
- 01:14:49a nice little list accruing here.
- 01:14:55Great. Perfect. Thank you.
- Item 10.4 - Break - Katie Rich01:15:00I think we're doing pretty good on time. We'll see if we need a little
- 01:15:06break later, but I would prefer propose that we go on and let
- 01:15:10the planning working group give their update.
- 01:15:32Hello, am I coming through? You are,
- 01:15:35Dylan, go ahead. Great. Appreciate it. Good morning everybody.
- Item 11 - Planning Working Group - Dylan Preas01:15:39This is Dylan Preas, PLWG chair. I'll be giving the update
- 01:15:43to Ros this morning. Slide so
- 01:15:48PLWG met on June 11.
- Item 11.1 - PGRR107 - Dylan Preas01:15:50On the agenda we had tier
- 01:15:51107. We've been tracking this one for a couple of months.
- 01:15:54Inclusion of forecasted load in planning analysis.
- 01:15:58This one's been been tabled. We had
- 01:16:01a quick update from the folks that are working on it and
- 01:16:05agreed to table it in June for follow up discussion.
- 01:16:09I anticipate seeing some comments posted pretty soon
- 01:16:12on this one on this picture,
- 01:16:17so be watching your inbox. PoWG leadership
- 01:16:21if comments are posted, we'd like to take it up at next Tuesday's
- 01:16:25meeting. So if you can take a take a look at
- 01:16:29anything that gets posted, prepare for that discussion would be
- 01:16:32helpful. Slides so
- 01:16:37new South Texas GTC and ERCOT RTP
- 01:16:40this assignment came out of a question at the February
- 01:16:44Ros that was assigned to PLWG on
- 01:16:48on this topic. It was discussed at PLWG in March
- 01:16:52March and provide
- 01:16:56an update on this one. In the past, ERCOT provided a
- 01:16:59high level that the prior RTP was conducted under planning
- 01:17:02assumptions that are under review, specifically around load scaling and
- 01:17:06resource adequacy and that ERCOT plans to bring future
- 01:17:10revision requests related to planning assumptions to Ros.
- 01:17:14Well, Peru queued this one up earlier in the
- 01:17:17the the ERCOT updates the plan system planning update
- 01:17:21that ERCOT does have a PGRR underdevelopment
- 01:17:27per boo. We plan to see this by the end of the year related to
- 01:17:30specifically generation assumptions included in planning
- 01:17:34analysis that's directly related to
- 01:17:37this, this item, I'm pretty certain.
- 01:17:42So we. This, this item isn't on
- 01:17:45the ROS action items list. I do
- 01:17:49not believe, but I believe POWG is concluded
- 01:17:54discussion on this one, so I don't plan to carry this forward on
- 01:17:57the agenda. If anyone has any questions on that,
- 01:18:01please let me know.
- Item 19.2 - Review Open Action Items List - Katie Rich01:18:09Open action item we're carrying is related to congestion cost
- 01:18:13test implementation and NPRR1070.
- 01:18:17This one's been on our agenda, our open action
- 01:18:21list for some time related to planning criteria for GT exit
- 01:18:25solutions. It remains tabled as ERCOT staff develops draft
- 01:18:28revision requests.
- 01:18:34Next slide. And that's all I have this morning. I did catch the
- 01:18:38PGRR115 assignment to PLWG, so I will
- 01:18:42include that on the next agenda. I'll finalize the agenda today for
- 01:18:46PLWG. That next meeting is on next Tuesday, July 16.
- 01:18:51So the agenda, hopefully we'll get it posted this afternoon
- 01:18:55and, and like to see folks
- 01:18:59ready to go with the, at the, at the next week's meeting to discuss
- 01:19:03these topics. Thank you.
- 01:19:08Yeah, thank you so much. And thank you for adding that
- 01:19:12figure so quickly. I want to go
- 01:19:18with ERCOT's request to try to move
- 01:19:21that along so hopefully people will tune in and
- 01:19:25we'll have a, a good discussion. I know Floyd will be there and you
- 01:19:30know, you guys can take a look at his language and any, anyone else that
- 01:19:34wants to bring up any issues. So I do appreciate you adding
- 01:19:38that to the agenda timely. And thank you for your update.
- 01:19:42Certainly appreciate it.
- Item 12 - Steady State Working Group - Zach Walker01:19:44Thanks. Okay,
- 01:19:48that will take us to SSWG.
- 01:19:57You can be alright, we can go ahead.
- 01:20:03Hi all, my name is Zach Walker, I'm the vice chair of SSWG.
- 01:20:07I'll be filling in for William today. He's on vacation. Next slide,
- 01:20:11please. So, main SSWG updates,
- 01:20:15the 24 SSWG cases have been posted along with the
- 01:20:18Tippet and CRR reports. These are our first set of no breaker cases.
- 01:20:23And then also we have updated the associated contingencies and data
- 01:20:26dictionary along with these. And they all should now be on the MIS.
- 01:20:30We've also started the new case Bill 24 SSWG update one.
- 01:20:34These are scheduled to be posted in October.
- Item 12.1 - SSWG Procedure Manual - Zach Walker01:20:37And then finally the main, main item for today,
- 01:20:40we have a procedure manual update. We are seeking ROS
- 01:20:44approval on the next slide. Can have some detailed changes.
- 01:20:50So main items that this update addresses is. One is for figure 113.
- 01:20:55This is an open action item from PLWG.
- 01:20:57And basically we added language to remove any temporary
- 01:21:01configurations for congestion mitigation from the SSWG cases
- 01:21:05and places responsibility on ERCOT to remove those. The next
- 01:21:08main item is FAC for 14, three, six. We updated
- 01:21:12language and added Appendix F to comply with this new FAC requirement.
- 01:21:17Basically, it just requires TSPs and ERCOT to provide technical rationale
- 01:21:20for any less limiting facility ratings in the SSWG cases.
- 01:21:24And then finally, just a couple other small changes with extraordinary dispatch reordering
- 01:21:28and a couple of data field requirements in the ERCOT planning
- 01:21:31database. So that's the main topics and
- 01:21:34updates for us. Any questions?
- 01:21:42Thank you. Any questions for Zach,
- 01:21:46either on his update or on the procedural
- 01:21:50manual that is up for a vote today?
- 01:22:19If there are no comments, then I would propose to go
- 01:22:23ahead and add this to the combo ballot.
- 01:22:42Thanks, Erin.
- 01:22:48And then we can go ahead and keep this pulled up.
- 01:22:53I want to give everyone a chance to look through
- 01:22:57this just to make sure we're all okay with
- 01:23:01this since we jumped around a little bit. So we've got the
- 01:23:05meeting minutes. NOGRR
- 01:23:08265 from golden spread. We went ahead and sent that
- 01:23:12over to OWG and then
- 01:23:16(item:6.1:NPRR1238, Voluntary Registration of Loads with Curtailable Load Capabilities - Possible Vote)1238 hasn't been referred to us from PRS
- 01:23:20yet, but going to go ahead and refer that over to OWG
- 01:23:24as well to try to keep those together.
- 01:23:36Yeah. Thank you for that clarification.
- 01:23:40And then stacks 1229.
- 01:23:44We're going to leave here tabled. We're going to let WMSWG
- 01:23:49do their work on the policy decisions
- 01:23:53discussion. So that will happen
- 01:23:57on the 23rd if you want to plug into that.
- 01:24:00And then, you know, paired together is
- 01:24:04ERCOT's NPRR1234 and PGRR115
- 01:24:10dealing with large, flexible loads.
- 01:24:14And then also paired together, we've got 1235
- 01:24:18and NOGRR264 for drrs.
- 01:24:21And both of those are going over to PDCWG.
- Item 10.3 - NOGRR262 - Rickey Floyd01:24:26And then coming out of OWG,
- 01:24:29we have 1221 in NOGRR262.
- 01:24:33And so we would move
- 01:24:37those along. Well, I think the NOGRR, we would look at the IA,
- 01:24:41but the 1221, we would move along. And then we
- 01:24:45just approve the SSWG procedural
- 01:24:49manual. So does that look acceptable to everyone?
- 01:25:00Okay with, with that, Erin? I think we're
- 01:25:03ready to put the. To a vote once we get
- 01:25:07our motion and our second. So you can.
- 01:25:10(item:13:Combo Ballot - Katie Rich)You guys can just pop in the queue.
- 01:25:23How about I make the motion to approve. Okay, awesome.
- 01:25:27Thank you. Wes. And then Chris Hendricks second.
- 01:25:30Okay, we got it. All right. Now we can proceed.
- 01:25:33Erin.
- 01:25:39Thank you. Katie. Can everyone hear me?
- 01:25:46You can go ahead. Thank you.
- 01:25:50Starting with the consumers. I don't
- 01:25:54believe Cyrus is with us, but I just want to double check.
- 01:25:58Cyrus, are you on the phone?
- 01:26:04Okay, moving on to Mike Reed.
- 01:26:09Yes. Thank you.
- 01:26:15Navaraj. Yes, ma'am. Thank you.
- 01:26:19Thank you. Cooperatives.
- 01:26:24Barry. Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
- 01:26:29Sandeep. Yes.
- 01:26:34Paul? Yes.
- 01:26:37Chris? Yes.
- 01:26:41Thank you. Independent generator.
- 01:26:45Brett.
- 01:26:48Yes. Yes, please. Alex?
- 01:26:59Alex Miller, are you on the phone? Yes. Can you hear me?
- 01:27:03I see you. I just.
- 01:27:10We can't hear you. Okay. I see you in the chat. Thank you.
- 01:27:15Kristen. For Chase. Yes. Thank you.
- 01:27:19Thank you.
- 01:27:22Katie? Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
- 01:27:28Independent power marketers. Adam.
- 01:27:31Yes.
- 01:27:34I don't believe Ian is with us, but I just want to double check.
- 01:27:38Ian, are you on the phone?
- 01:27:46Shane for Resni. Yes. Thank you.
- 01:27:50Thank you.
- 01:28:02Moving on to the independent reps. Kevin?
- 01:28:07Yes, thanks.
- 01:28:09Jennifer.
- 01:28:18Okay, I see. Jennifer. Yes. In the chat.
- 01:28:21Chris. Yes.
- 01:28:24Thank you. Main.
- 01:28:27Yes.
- 01:28:31Investor, owned utilities. Ether.
- 01:28:36Yes. Thank you.
- 01:28:39Wes. Yes. Thank you.
- 01:28:43Rob. For Chris. Yes. Thank you.
- 01:28:48Thank you. Matthew.
- 01:28:51Yes. Thank you.
- 01:28:54Municipal Kenneth.
- 01:28:58Yes. Thank you. Chris? Yes.
- 01:29:01Thank you. Matt.
- 01:29:06Yes. Thank you. Thank you. And Mike
- 01:29:09for Imani. Yes. Thank you.
- 01:29:13Thank you. Okay,
- 01:29:16the motion carries with 100% in favor. Thank you.
- 01:29:22Yeah. Thank you all. I think we've made some good progress
- Item 14 - Black Start Working Group - Michael Dieringer01:29:26today looking at the ballot details. So when
- 01:29:30we get back to the agenda, we are going to
- 01:29:34skip over the black start working group for this month.
- 01:29:38They've asked to come back to us next month, which I'm fine
- Item 15 - Dynamics Working Group - Paul Koberlein01:29:42with. So that will take us to the dynamics working group.
- 01:29:56Good morning, everyone. My name is Paul Koberline, and I'm the current chair of the
- 01:29:59dynamics working group. Can someone please confirm they can hear me?
- 01:30:03We can. Paul, go ahead. All right,
- 01:30:07we could go to the next slide, please. Okay, so we've
- 01:30:11met on June 20 of this year,
- 01:30:15and I'll just briefly go over a few items today. So we had a
- 01:30:192024 2025 flat start update.
- 01:30:23We'll be using the cases released in the
- 01:30:26SWG, cases released in June as a base for this.
- 01:30:30As Zach mentioned, they are going to be no breaker cases. So we're
- 01:30:33anticipating a few challenges and topology errors,
- 01:30:37but we're working hard to fix these, and we're probably going to
- 01:30:40add another pass to sort of mitigate those issues.
- 01:30:45We have a draft procedure manual update for NOGRR
- 01:30:49245. We're going to be discussing that in
- 01:30:53tomorrow's IBR working group dynamics working group meeting,
- 01:30:56which is at the end of the agenda on the IBR working group,
- 01:31:00and we're currently targeting August ros for
- 01:31:04approval that procedure manual update next
- 01:31:08slide please. We discussed some self limiting facilities
- 01:31:12or sls. We got some feedback from ERCOT,
- 01:31:16got some feedback back from the dynamics working group, and we
- 01:31:19received this pretty positively. And there's right now
- 01:31:23there's really nothing standing in our way. We're ready to post this on the
- 01:31:26resource integration page. Arca also
- 01:31:30asked some tsps to provide a list of mod 26 and mod 27 reviews.
- 01:31:34Bye tomorrow. 712 2024
- 01:31:39and with that, that's pretty much all I had. Any questions? Any feedback?
- 01:31:46Well, I wanted to thank you for responding
- 01:31:50to a request to look at the procedural manual
- 01:31:55at IBRWG tomorrow. So wanted folks to know
- 01:31:59that it is on that agenda. If you were looking at it at DWG,
- 01:32:02make sure you plug into IBRWG. I believe
- 01:32:06it's towards the end of the agenda tomorrow morning,
- 01:32:10but make sure that you plug into that since
- 01:32:13that's where they were talking about some changes resulting from
- 01:32:17NOGRR245. And with that,
- 01:32:20I don't see anyone else in the queue. But thank you very much for your
- 01:32:23update. Thank you.
- 01:32:32All right, we've already got Julia teed up with her
- 01:32:36IBRWG report.
- 01:32:41Hi, can you hear me? We can
- 01:32:45go ahead. All right. Yeah, so we had our
- 01:32:49meeting on June 14. We started
- 01:32:52with DWG IBRWG collaboration this
- 01:32:56time talked about. So just to remind people,
- 01:32:59maybe this collaboration is to develop the
- 01:33:08dynamic modeling manual language that reflects
- 01:33:12changes that will come with NOGRR245.
- 01:33:17So we started with talking about transient oval voltage.
- 01:33:20Right? Through conformity assessment, the subgroup
- 01:33:24from IEEE 2800.2 working group
- 01:33:28came to talk about some ideas of how to verify
- 01:33:32this capability. Basically they presented requirements
- 01:33:36from 2800 on the topic and pointed out
- 01:33:40that primary focus here is on assessment of switching transients.
- 01:33:44And then things like lightning and SSR type events
- 01:33:48are already taken care of and have good developed standards of
- 01:33:53how to verify capability. And also
- 01:33:57pointed out that over voltage tripping that occurred during Adesa events
- 01:34:01was not transient over voltage strictly speaking, but rather
- 01:34:05RMS high voltage write through event
- 01:34:09and conformity of this can be assessed through MQT procedures
- 01:34:14that exist today already. So basically their recommendation
- 01:34:17was was that transient over voltage capability of
- 01:34:21the plants is documented based on equipment capability provided by
- 01:34:25OEM. Rather than developing some
- 01:34:29kind of tests in addition to existing MQT
- 01:34:33tests that are done today, then we
- 01:34:37talked about other modeling guide updates
- 01:34:42and ERCOT presented on that continues
- 01:34:46working on this DWG procedure manual.
- 01:34:49As I mentioned to update with simulation tests related to
- 01:34:53NOGRR245 and
- 01:34:59main changes will be to high voltage write through, low voltage write
- 01:35:03through requirements and tov requirement.
- 01:35:06As I just spoke about ERCOT
- 01:35:12has developed and proposed some model
- 01:35:16test criteria and encouraged stakeholders
- 01:35:20to spend some time looking at that. So the presentation
- 01:35:24is posted so you can have a look at the IBRWG
- 01:35:28webpage. We had extensive discussion about
- 01:35:31active power reduction during voltage write through events and
- 01:35:36specific what was observed during edessa events and
- 01:35:40how model acceptance criteria will be also focusing on this
- 01:35:43aspect. So basically, ERCOT promised that
- 01:35:47the DWG procedure manual draft
- 01:35:51will be circulated to IBRWG sometimes
- 01:35:55around the next meeting and we'll have a chance
- 01:35:58to review it and discuss it further.
- 01:36:01And then we switched on to IBRWG
- 01:36:06main meeting topics. Stevens always provided an
- 01:36:09update on NOGRR245. So as you probably all
- 01:36:13know, at the end of April ERCOT got remand from
- 01:36:17board directors to go back to TAC and
- 01:36:21worked with TAC through a number of workshops in May
- 01:36:25on revisions of NOGRR245 t
- 01:36:28and CK approved version of NOGRR245 and
- 01:36:32it was supposed to go to board in June. But then, as again you
- 01:36:36probably know, it kind of returned
- 01:36:39back to TAC and ERCOT currently is working with joint
- 01:36:43stakeholder commenters on some of contentious
- 01:36:48topics trying to come to agreement by August
- 01:36:52board of directors meeting next presentation
- 01:36:56was on NORC standards update as
- 01:36:59was just earlier I mentioned in one of the updates, NRC is
- 01:37:03currently working on a number of standard provisions following up on fore quarter
- 01:37:07901. So as a standing item we are bringing
- 01:37:11this north standard updates to IBRWG
- 01:37:16because most of these standard updates are related to ibrs and
- 01:37:19so the one that got presented last time was PRC 29.
- 01:37:24This is a new IBR write through standard that's being worked
- 01:37:28on. Existing PRC 24 standard widely
- 01:37:32applies to generation resources and is initially
- 01:37:36designed as a protection based standard, which it will remain for
- 01:37:40synchronous generators and synchronous condensers, whereas the new PRC
- 01:37:4429 standard will be focused on IBR right
- 01:37:48through performance requirements. So drafting team
- 01:37:52does lean towards IEEE 2800 standard
- 01:37:55requirements, but the structure follows language of forequarter
- 01:37:59901 which basically leaves it
- 01:38:02to NURC's discretion to decide how to reference IEEE standard
- 01:38:06or whether to reference it at all. In March 2024
- 01:38:10there was initial balloting process for the first draft of PRC 29.
- 01:38:14It failed initial ballot and received received more than 200 comments.
- 01:38:17The standard drafting team worked through the comments, and there was a new
- 01:38:21balloting, I believe, last week.
- 01:38:25The results have not been published. Two days ago, as I
- 01:38:28checked, but I know they received a lot of
- 01:38:32comments again, so they'll be reviewing this language.
- 01:38:35And then in the group, we had extensive discussion on
- 01:38:39documented exemptions for from PRC 29
- 01:38:44and how transmission owners, planners,
- 01:38:47planning coordinators may consider those in
- 01:38:50reliability assessment. So basically, PRC 29, once it's
- 01:38:54approved, will be applied to all resources, and resources that
- 01:38:58are not capable of complying with standard that's already on the ground will need to
- 01:39:02seek exemption, and that exemption will need to be substantiated by
- 01:39:06equipment mandatory manufacturers. But then the discussion
- 01:39:10that we have in the IBRWG group was,
- 01:39:13once these limitations have been captured,
- 01:39:16reliability coordinators will need to consider this
- 01:39:20limitations in the planning processes and operations processes.
- 01:39:26Then also in the previous update,
- 01:39:29somebody mentioned NRC alert,
- 01:39:33level two alert. So Tre presented on that,
- 01:39:36I guess because we already heard about it. I will not spend
- 01:39:40time on this. And then I
- 01:39:44presented other industry updates. One of the,
- 01:39:48some of the notable updates is that FERC approved
- 01:39:51Miso's tariff red lines for the first
- 01:39:54round of IEEE 2800 implementation.
- 01:39:58So this phase of implementation calls out clauses
- 01:40:02of IEEE 2800, specifically around voltage write
- 01:40:05through capability, fast reactive current injection during faults,
- 01:40:09phase jump right through enter service, and measurement accuracy.
- 01:40:12So overall, these are same requirements
- 01:40:17that are in NOGRR245 and NOGRR
- 01:40:21two. I forgot there was another 1255
- 01:40:25on measurements. So this
- 01:40:28got approved by FERC, and now it will be required
- 01:40:32from future resources that are going into MISO in the next
- 01:40:36round of interconnections. MISO also posted
- 01:40:40a draft to adopt some of the grid forming
- 01:40:44capabilities for battery energy storage, and they
- 01:40:48are seeking industry comments. And that period
- 01:40:51ended in June, on June 28.
- 01:40:55So they intend to finalize grid forming requirements by November 2024,
- 01:41:00and then implementation to
- 01:41:04the future resources will be decided. So basically right
- 01:41:08now, I think this is kind of a voluntary requirement. They have not decided
- 01:41:12of how it will be applied going forward, if it will be required from all
- 01:41:15bas or somehow differently. So that's
- 01:41:20still coming. And then NSOE is association of system operators
- 01:41:24in Europe. They are currently working on implementation
- 01:41:29guide for grid forming requirements and have published the first paper
- 01:41:33with some specific tests for testing of grid forming
- 01:41:37capability in simulations. And then e
- 01:41:40Cig, that's organization I'm working for, have created
- 01:41:44a web page that tracks progress of all grid forming
- 01:41:48technology development and deployment innovations.
- 01:41:53And so basically, if you're interested in grid forming. You can go to this one
- 01:41:56page and see existing projects, projects under construction
- 01:42:00who have any interconnection requirements for grid forming, any specifications
- 01:42:05and things like that. So kind of like one stop shop for grid
- Item 16 - Inverter Based Resources Working Group - Julia Matevosyan01:42:09forming technology. And the last one is
- 01:42:13there is ongoing Doe itox first forum,
- 01:42:17and the purpose of this forum is to facilitate
- 01:42:20understanding and adoption of new and recently updated standards related
- 01:42:25to inverter based resources. So, you know, if this topic interests
- 01:42:29you, this is us wide. It's not ERCOT specific.
- 01:42:33It focuses on IEEE 2800 adoption and also
- 01:42:37tracks changes that happen at NPRR
- 01:42:41standards with NPRR standards related to forequarter 901.
- 01:42:45So any changes with NPRR standards that are related to inverter
- 01:42:49based resources will bring it up to the forum as well. So the forum has
- 01:42:52monthly meetings, and you can see links to sign
- 01:42:56up and also to follow meeting materials.
- 01:42:59Presentation parts of the meetings are recorded as well.
- 01:43:03So this is all I have. Thanks so much.
- 01:43:09Thanks so much, Julia. I appreciate the thorough update
- 01:43:13and we look forward to the discussion tomorrow.
- 01:43:17So everyone tune into that. The agenda is posted, and I believe
- 01:43:21most of the meeting materials are posted for the presentations.
- Item 17 - Network Data Support Working Group - Gerardo Escamilla01:43:26Thank you. Thank you. So with that, that will take us to
- 01:43:30NDSWG. I did not see anything posted.
- 01:43:37I was just gonna. Good morning. I was just gonna give a verbal
- 01:43:42on this one. Okay, take it away.
- 01:43:46Yes. So we had a meeting on June 18.
- 01:43:50Yes. We had a presentation on the NPRR1234.
- 01:43:56Joe Kp, he gave us an overview
- 01:44:01of the different scenarios.
- 01:44:05Excuse me. The ICP handbook is still
- 01:44:11on our working group. It's still being determined
- 01:44:17which items, which content of the handbook is binding or
- 01:44:21non binding. There was also a presentation
- 01:44:25for downstream stream production changes. They pretty much
- 01:44:29gave us statistics and
- 01:44:33that's pretty much it. That's what's going on on our group.
- 01:44:39Any questions? Thank you
- 01:44:43for the update, and thank you for taking up 1234
- 01:44:48again at your next meeting.
- 01:44:53Yes, thank you. Okay.
- Item 18 - Operations Training Working Group - Manual Sanchez01:44:56With that, we will go to OtWg.
- 01:45:06Good afternoon. Good morning. Can you hear me? Okay,
- 01:45:13you can go ahead. All right. So, good morning. My name is Manuel Sanchez.
- 01:45:16I'm the OTWG chair for this current
- 01:45:20year, and we have a couple of updates in relations to
- 01:45:24training coming up in the next few weeks and months.
- 01:45:27So the first one is an ERCOT Blackstar training.
- 01:45:31This group has been diligently working to test
- 01:45:35and validate all the scenarios using Gridgeo. So we are on
- 01:45:39track based on the information that they provided to provide
- 01:45:42the dates for training from
- 01:45:46October 14 through November 21. It's planned to
- 01:45:50be a two part section of this training. One will
- 01:45:54be a computer based training which will provide cehs
- 01:45:58and the requirement is that this CBT
- 01:46:02has to be completed as a prerequisite before going
- 01:46:05to the in person session. The details
- 01:46:10and registration will be provided at a later time,
- 01:46:13but this section will be providing also CHS
- 01:46:17for all market participants. The other portion
- 01:46:21of this training will be an in person session which is exclusively
- 01:46:25the majority for simulation and the plan is still to be
- 01:46:29using great geo training environment to complete this
- 01:46:32section. The plan for the in person session is two and a
- 01:46:36half days which at the moment states on the
- 01:46:39Tuesday afternoon all the way through Thursday, all day.
- 01:46:44The market notification from ERCOT will be provided
- 01:46:48on an estimated time by the first week of
- 01:46:51September. If there are any questions or any
- 01:46:55specific information, please reach out to John Jarmon or myself
- 01:46:59to get more information. Annette Perio also from
- 01:47:03this group in particular. Next slide.
- 01:47:10Perfect. Then the last portion is on aircraft operations
- 01:47:13training seminar for next year. We are still ahead of planning
- 01:47:18for this session. The only update
- 01:47:21is that this training seminar is going
- 01:47:25to have CEHS and is planning to be hosted by
- 01:47:28ERCOT in the first portion of March April
- 01:47:32timeframe. During cycle two. More details will
- 01:47:36be provided. No plans for simulation exercises or bundling
- 01:47:40up with the EEA emergency notices that we had
- 01:47:43experienced this past year. We are currently looking for
- 01:47:47market participants and SME's to provide information
- 01:47:51or topics that will be important or relevant to the market participants
- 01:47:56and we look forward to hear from any interest
- 01:48:00parties to provide this support
- 01:48:03in additional content and training opportunities.
- 01:48:06The last option is not in this one, but is more
- 01:48:10like a reminder to market participants. ERCOT issued
- 01:48:14or send a notification this week for the
- 01:48:17annual severe weather drill and ERCOT
- 01:48:21is asking for a single point of contact to be involved
- 01:48:25in this drill. The idea is to
- 01:48:29go through a scenario or an event where the
- 01:48:33ERCOT grid will experience a severe condition leading
- 01:48:37up to emergency notifications and emergency conditions.
- 01:48:40So market participants are highly encouraged to participate.
- 01:48:45This is more a communication exercise as
- 01:48:48part of the events, so please
- 01:48:52contact systemoperationstrainingercot.com to
- 01:48:56provide this single point of contact that will be
- 01:48:59involved in this seminar. In this not seminar, this drill.
- 01:49:04Are there any questions? This is all I had for EOTWG
- 01:49:08group.
- 01:49:15I don't see anyone in the Hugh Manuel thank
- 01:49:19you so much for your update and the work that you're doing.
- 01:49:22Outstanding. Thank you for the opportunity and have a great day.
- 01:49:27Thank you and Julia wants to go back
- 01:49:30to IVRWG. Please go ahead,
- 01:49:34Julia. Yeah, hi, again, sorry for
- 01:49:38missing this one. I just wanted to bring to everybody's attention
- 01:49:42that as you probably know, ERCOT is working on grid
- 01:49:45forming requirements as well and they will bring an update on
- 01:49:49this effort to tomorrow's meeting. So there'll be
- 01:49:52almost like 2 hours discussion around that. And I just wanted
- 01:49:56to bring it to people's attention if you were planning to
- 01:50:00or considering attending the meeting tomorrow.
- 01:50:04Thanks and sorry for missing this.
- 01:50:08No, thank you, Julia. And I believe that the presentation for
- 01:50:12that has already been posted. Posted so folks
- 01:50:15can. Yeah, so folks can take a look at that
- 01:50:19in advance and inform their questions.
- Item 19 - Other Business - Katie Rich01:50:23Okay. With that, I believe that takes us to other
- Item 19.1 - 2025 Meeting Schedule - Katie Rich01:50:27business. The only thing I wanted
- 01:50:30to touch on is the 2025 meeting schedule.
- 01:50:35Suzy and I brought this up last month. We've since
- 01:50:38had a discussion, discussion at PRS. So we
- 01:50:42at PRS are not proposing to change our
- 01:50:46date and time for next year. We would still keep it on the first
- 01:50:50Thursday or thereabouts. And so
- 01:50:55what is changing is that PRS would
- 01:50:58like to go to Wednesday meetings. So the issue
- 01:51:02that introduces is in the some specific
- 01:51:06circumstances. I think it's mainly when PRS
- 01:51:11takes action on an NPRR
- 01:51:15that's going back to PRS that now
- 01:51:19has the language approved and it's going back to PRS
- 01:51:23then for approval there and for the IA
- 01:51:27that there may be instances where they need to wave notice
- 01:51:32because, you know, we're a day later than
- 01:51:36the seven day requirement. I did not hear any concerns
- 01:51:40expressed at PRS about that
- 01:51:44happening from, from time to time. So just wanted
- 01:51:48to make you guys aware of it and wanted to say I didn't really want
- 01:51:51to upset, you know, the ROS meeting too much.
- 01:51:55So that's more of a. Just a small procedural
- 01:51:59thing if it, when, if and when it does occur.
- 01:52:03Suzy, was there anything else I should have added?
- 01:52:10Okay, I think you've covered everything.
- 01:52:15Okay. Thank you guys for
- 01:52:18your participation today with
- 01:52:21everything that was on the combo ballot. We will have some new discussions going
- 01:52:25on at our working group, so tune into those if those
- 01:52:29issues interest you. And then our
- 01:52:33next meeting will be on August 1 and it will
- 01:52:37again be Webex only.
- Item 20 - Adjourn - Katie Rich01:52:40And with that I think we can adjourn for the day.
- 01:52:44Thank you all again.
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0 - Validation for ROS Standing Representatives - Suzy Clifton
Starts at 00:01:17
1 - Antitrust Admonition - Katie Rich
Starts at 00:01:38
2 - Agenda Review - Katie Rich
Starts at 00:02:55
3 - Meeting Minutes - Katie Rich
Starts at 00:04:08
3.1 - June 6, 2024 - Katie Rich
Starts at 00:04:23
4 - TAC Update - Katie Rich
Starts at 00:04:50
5 - ERCOT Reports - Katie Rich
Starts at 00:05:44
5.1 - Operations Report - Alex Lee
Starts at 00:05:48
5.2 - System Planning Report - Robert Golen
Starts at 00:07:29
5.3 - GTC Update - Yunzhi Cheng
Starts at 00:16:58
5.4 - Outage Coordination - Chris Azeredo
Starts at 00:21:15
8.3 - NOGRR265, Related to NPRR1238, Voluntary Registration of Loads with Curtailable Load Capabilities
Starts at 00:29:35
7 - PRS Referrals - Katie Rich
Starts at 00:35:53
7.1 - NPRR1229 - Katie Rich
Starts at 00:36:03
7.2 - NPRR1234, Interconnection Requirements for Large Loads and Modeling Standards for Loads 25 MW or Greater
Starts at 00:47:57
8.1 - PGRR115
Starts at 00:53:25
7.3 - NPRR1235 - Katie Rich
Starts at 01:02:41
8.2 - NOGRR264 - Katie Rich
Starts at 01:09:17
9 - Revision Requests Tabled at ROS
Starts at 01:10:07
10 - Operations Working Group - Rickey Floyd
Starts at 01:10:37
10.2 - NPRR1221 - Related to NOGRR262, Provisions for Operator-Controlled Manual<br />Load Shed - Rickey Floyd
Starts at 01:12:02
10.1 - NPRR1070 - Rickey Floyd
Starts at 01:13:05
10.4 - Break - Katie Rich
Starts at 01:15:00
11 - Planning Working Group - Dylan Preas
Starts at 01:15:39
11.1 - PGRR107 - Dylan Preas
Starts at 01:15:50
19.2 - Review Open Action Items List - Katie Rich
Starts at 01:18:09
12 - Steady State Working Group - Zach Walker
Starts at 01:19:44
12.1 - SSWG Procedure Manual - Zach Walker
Starts at 01:20:37
6.1 - NPRR1238, Voluntary Registration of Loads with Curtailable Load Capabilities - Possible Vote
Starts at 01:23:16
10.3 - NOGRR262 - Rickey Floyd
Starts at 01:24:26
13 - Combo Ballot - Katie Rich
Starts at 01:25:10
14 - Black Start Working Group - Michael Dieringer
Starts at 01:29:26
15 - Dynamics Working Group - Paul Koberlein
Starts at 01:29:42
16 - Inverter Based Resources Working Group - Julia Matevosyan
Starts at 01:42:09
17 - Network Data Support Working Group - Gerardo Escamilla
Starts at 01:43:26
18 - Operations Training Working Group - Manual Sanchez
Starts at 01:44:56
19 - Other Business - Katie Rich
Starts at 01:50:23
19.1 - 2025 Meeting Schedule - Katie Rich
Starts at 01:50:27
20 - Adjourn - Katie Rich
Starts at 01:52:40